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Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsAug. 13, 2019 at 10:49 p.m.
Thread: Contract Controversy
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BrandonDubinskyGOAT</b></div><div><a href="/users/Jamiepo" target="_blank">@Jamiepo</a> <a href="/users/SammyT_51" target="_blank">@SammyT_51</a> <a href="/users/LoganOllivier" target="_blank">@LoganOllivier</a> <a href="/users/palhal" target="_blank">@palhal</a> <a href="/users/Jangle29" target="_blank">@Jangle29</a> <a href="/users/oneX" target="_blank">@oneX</a> <a href="/users/Trickster" target="_blank">@Trickster</a> <a href="/users/Snipshow4416" target="_blank">@Snipshow4416</a>

I know that a lot of Leaf fans are frustrated that Marner isn’t willing to take less money to help this Leafs team win, however, I don’t think any of their other star forwards have taken a discount either.

John Tavares is making 11 million. Sidney Crosby signed his second big contract as a UFA in 2013-14 with the Penguins when the salary cap was 63.4 million, so divide that from last season’s 79 million, the cap has inflated by 1.285%. Sid’s contract would’be been worth 11.2 million dollars AAV by the time Tavares signed his 11 million dollar AAV deal. No matter how you put it, Crosby is better than Tavares by quite a bit, if he was worth 11.2 million in 2018-19, Tavares should’ve been got 10 million maximum.

Next up is Auston Matthews. My comparable for him is Evgeni Malkin. In 2009-10 when Malkin signed his 8.7 million dollar AAV contract following the expiry of his entry level deal, the salary cap was 56.7 million, 1.437% less than today’s cap hit which is what Matthews signed. Malkin’s deal at the time would’ve been worth 12.5 million dollars today. I would argue that Matthews currently is not as good as Malkin in 2009, considering Malkin at the time his entry level deal expired had already won a scoring title and playoff MVP, plus had a points per game average of 1.19 in the dead tree defenseman era. Malkin’s most frequent linemate was Sykora, whom I would argue is less talented than Nylander who frequently pairs with Matthews. The maximum Matthews should’ve made was 11 million.

For William Nylander, his 7 million AAV isn’t bad but he didn’t take a discount either. A comparable for Nylander is Gaudreau. When Johnny signed his 6.7 million AAV deal in 16-17 for the same term, the cap ceiling was 73 million, around 1.08% less than the 79 million last season. Last season his deal would’ve been worth 7.2 million AAV. That’s only .3 million more value than Nylander’s contract. Gaudreau had 1 season with 64 points &amp; another with 80 points. His centre was Monahan, who is excellent but he’s not as talented as Matthews,yet Nylander only managed 61 points as a career high, therefore his maximum AAV for the 6 year term should’ve been 6.25 million.

A comparable for Mitch Marner would be Patrick Kane. After his expiry deal, Kane was making a 6.3 million AAV for 5 years with the cap ceiling at 56.7 million dollars. If he was signing that same contract today, it would be worth 9.5 million. At the time, Kane was obviously better than Marner is right now, so a fair market value for Mitch would be 8.25 million. However, all the other Leaf forwards are making more than what they deserve, so why should Marner take less?</div></div>

The Crosby comparison is used a lot and falls flat because people forget it was signed using the old system for well over 7 years with added on low salary years at the end to bring the cap down. He made an average of 9.8 million in his first 7 years. If you inflate that by 1.285 x as you suggested you get 12.6. Well above what Tavares is earning.

I am a Leafs fan and I dont expect marner to take a cheap deal to help the Leafs win. I want him to take a fair deal. And there is no actual comparable to him that is anywhere near what he is asking. The only argument he has for anywhere near what he wants is he thinks he's as valuable as Matthews.

Otherwise the highest paid winger coming off an ELC in this CBA is tarasenko at 7.5*8 years and he had a less impressive contract year to Tarasenko. Inflate that up and it's about 8.7 million for 8
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