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Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 15, 2022 at 3:05 p.m.

Thread: trade

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AdamFox</b></div><div>lol its a 12 team no trade list so they had 20 they can pick from</div></div>

You don't know how many of the 20 were in the market for him.

Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 14, 2022 at 8:21 p.m.

Thread: trade

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AdamFox</b></div><div>hes going to be a UFA at the end of the year but alright bud</div></div>

I didn't say he wasn't going to be a ufa? Don't forget Manson also has a modified ntc. Colorado might have been one of the few inside that ntc that actually wanted Manson. Chiarot has no say in where he gets dealt. Plus with half retained Chiarot will be a tad cheaper on the cap. Just a couple other factors to consider

Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 14, 2022 at 7:47 p.m.

Thread: Hello there

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tarlam01</b></div><div>Benning has been really good for Denver tbh. near PPGM and +28. He's also a RHD[/quote

Stats for sure, but not too many 5'9" D men (who aren't elite) make a permanent home in the NHL.</div></div>

Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 14, 2022 at 7:26 p.m.

Thread: Hello there

The prospect needs to be better in this package imo.

Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 14, 2022 at 7:19 p.m.

Thread: trade

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tarlam01</b></div><div>Helleson is worth a 1st alone, dunno what you're trying to say here.</div></div>

Read the thread bud. And I definitely don't think Helleson is a worth a first. But definitely better than AdamFox thinks above

Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 14, 2022 at 7:03 p.m.

Thread: trade

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AdamFox</b></div><div>The 2nd is already going to be 58-64 and helleson most likely returning for a 4th year of college he doesn't have much value at all</div></div>

Helleson as a right shot D and the way he has played this year makes him worth his draft stock. Add in another 2nd and it gets you close to a late first rounder. Chiarot has more value than Manson, I say imo but I honestly don't think its a debate.

Either way I wouldn't be shocked if he gets a first in return or a 2nd and good prospect. We will see Monday. Someone will be wrong in this debate lol

Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 14, 2022 at 6:46 p.m.

Thread: trade

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AdamFox</b></div><div>Clearly not getting it after that Manson return</div></div>

I wouldn't say clearly. Helleson and a 2nd is very close to the equalivant to a late first round pick. Opinions vary but imo Chiarot has a tad more value right now via trade. Still expecting a first but a return like this wouldn't be far off

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 21, 2022 at 10:05 p.m.

Thread: we all know this might happen

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LukaTAG</b></div><div>Once again, he was dog**** in the playoffs. Not sure how this is hard for you to understand lmfao. He's not a shutdown guy by any means. Being a shutdown guy means you have to actually be good on defense.</div></div>

Please try watching some playoff hockey. I know you're not use to it with you're own team but just try. He is a stud in the playoffs plain and simple. Passes every eye test. And his advance analytics in the playoffs are actaully good lol

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 21, 2022 at 10:02 p.m.

Thread: we all know this might happen

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>so you're saying that foligno was worth a 1st? Savard too? Erat was worth forsberg? Damn, those GM's know more than me so clearly those trades that were obviously bad at the time were not!</div></div>

Current market value they know a lot more than you. None of those trades were deemed as bad at the time. And Savard was a key piece to the Lightnings success. He is a similar player (not as good) to Chiarot, so thats a bad example

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 21, 2022 at 9:56 p.m.

Thread: we all know this might happen

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>nah, they dont like big defencemen that are slow as molasses with no mobility who cant defend a rush or a cycle and needs his partner and C to cover all the pass threats and the goalie to stop every high danger scoring chance he lets by him because he's so focused on crosschecking dudes.</div></div>

I guess you didn't watch tonights game? Lol. Have a goodnight buddy

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 21, 2022 at 9:55 p.m.

Thread: we all know this might happen

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LukaTAG</b></div><div>Watched a playoff game. He cross-checked people in front of the net. Other than that, he was dog****.

If he gets a first or a 2nd and a prospect, I feel really bad to whichever team gets him.</div></div>

I think nhl general managers understand values and playoff performances a lot better than you. If only the leafs had someone that could clear the front of the net and play agaisnt the other teams top lines maybe, just maybe they could have some playoff success. Its hard to outscore your problems in the playoffs fyi

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 21, 2022 at 9:52 p.m.

Thread: we all know this might happen

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>no, you see i want the leafs to add good defencemen, which is what dubas wants too. He dont want bad defenders like chariot</div></div>

Ya they don't like big defensemen that can play both sides, clear the front of the net, play agaisnt the other teams top line and has a recent history of playing good in the playoffs lol

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 21, 2022 at 9:50 p.m.

Thread: we all know this might happen

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LukaTAG</b></div><div>No? I never quoted plus minus. I said he was a net negative. As in he did more bad than good for the Canadiens in the post season.

Stop sucking Chiarot's dick, he's a 5/6 or worse by every available metric and a terrible shutdown D. Face it, you're gonna get a 3rd for him by some contending team.</div></div>

Ok, you definetly have no idea whats going on lol. Try watching a playoff game bud.

Every analyst out there is saying he is getting a first lol. I'm more in the camp that his true value is a 2nd and prospect but because how good he is in the playoffs and the fact that half the league have called about him he is definetly getting a first in return.

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 21, 2022 at 9:45 p.m.

Thread: we all know this might happen

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>because he wouldnt. he is just a bad player by literally, and i mean literally every metric.</div></div>

You better hope Dubas has a different feeling than you. Zero chance, and I mean zero chance the leafs can beat the lightning or Panthers with that current D.

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 21, 2022 at 9:43 p.m.

Thread: we all know this might happen

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LukaTAG</b></div><div>Chiarot was a net negative in the playoffs as well lol, also by every available metric. Sorry, try again</div></div>

Plus minus is your tool for valueing players? Lol. Wow. That just gave me some insight to how you think. Do you watch hockey? You do realize he is a shut down D that usually goes agaisnt the other teams best players? Lol. He literally just went agaisnt a top three line in the league tonight. He is much more valueable then every D on the leafs not named Reilly in the playoffs.

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 21, 2022 at 9:37 p.m.

Thread: we all know this might happen

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>habs fans just cant admit that a player of theirs is bad</div></div>

I think Gallagher is bad. Regular season Price and Weber were horrible. Petry has been awful this year (other than the last 4).

Happy?

Chiarot has been decent considering he is playing top pairing minutes on a team that has no motivation. It just confuses me when leaf fans can't admit that he would help them. Why are they so scared to admit that?

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 21, 2022 at 9:33 p.m.

Thread: we all know this might happen

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LukaTAG</b></div><div>Nope, he's just objectively a 5/6. By every single metric availible.</div></div>

I guess you haven't actually watched much hockey have you? Especially in the playoffs. The leafs defence as it is currently constructed has a zero percent chance of making a deep playoff run. I'm not a huge fan of Chiarot in the regular season but in the playoffs he was a beast. One of the main reasons they made it to the finals. One of the biggest reasons they beat Pittsburgh and should have beat the fylers two years ago.

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 21, 2022 at 9:26 p.m.

Thread: we all know this might happen

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LukaTAG</b></div><div>Just... no. We don't need another 5/6</div></div>

Leaf fans just can't admit that a hab player just might help them win a playoff round lol.

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 21, 2022 at 9:18 p.m.

Thread: a swap between rivals

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>so you're saying that the leafs 4th liners havent been putting up better or comparable points to him? because that's just straight up false. You can literally look it up.</div></div>

Ya I did, Anderson top 4 in goals if he was on the leafs last year lol. And thats with no pp time. Someday you'll understand the NHL.

Have you ever wondered why the leafs can't win a playoff round? Just curious. Would you admit that some of these hab players would help them win a round? Or are you just naive about that fact. Do you think every hab player sucks and all leaf players are awesome?

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 21, 2022 at 7:24 p.m.

Thread: Just A Genuine Question Please Dont Get Mad

If Petry was 25 then maybe, otherwise not even close

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 21, 2022 at 7:18 p.m.

Thread: a swap between rivals

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>Wow, at this rate he might get ad many points as the guys on the leafs who make half as much as him.
It's pretty great that youre insulting me but you cant even defend that your boy is hilariously over paid</div></div>

Lol

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 21, 2022 at 7:16 p.m.

Thread: a swap between rivals

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>You do realise that anderson is bad and makes way too much money right?</div></div>

He just scored lol. You have no clue buddy. Not sure why I just wasted my time with someone so simple. Later lol

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 21, 2022 at 7:14 p.m.

Thread: a swap between rivals

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>Every team played that many games and he still got less points than jason spezza. You know, a 4th liner in a good team.
5.5 mill, yikes</div></div>

Lol. You do realize that team lost to the habs in the playoffs right? Anderson was a key to that series as well. Pretty damn good 4th liner lol. Too bad yours didn't show up.

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 21, 2022 at 7:11 p.m.

Thread: a swap between rivals

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>Except for the part about actually scoring 20 goals.
Unless you wanna call matthews a 60 goal scorer.
This is a lot of energy defending a guy who's producing at a 4th liner level for a good team</div></div>

Well its not his fault they only played 52 games last year because of Covid is it? Lol. You have no clue about this league do you? Just stick in your little Toronto bubble bud.

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 21, 2022 at 7:01 p.m.

Thread: a swap between rivals

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>Hes score more than 19 goals once, has never hit 50 points and is terrible defensively. His contract is bad, but i guess you're a habs fan so talking about bias for a habs player is hilarious</div></div>

27 three years ago. Injured then coming off major surgery two years ago. 17 over 52 (pro rated 26 goals) last seaso then 10 in 39 in a bad year this year (pro rated 21 goals). And those are 99% 5 on 5 goals because he doesnt get pp time. So ya, he is a 20 goal scorer on teams who don't score goals.

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