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NHL
Apr. 11 at 2:00 a.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>I would say it should be something royal to sync up with RSL, but Kings is already taken, Monarchs has already been used in SLC and Princes sounds dumb.</div></div>
Saints?
Bishops?
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NHL
Apr. 11 at 12:29 a.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CameronSquires</b></div><div>Some names I thought of for Utah
Salt Lake City Lions
Salt Lake Coyotes
Utah Coyotes
Utah Warriors
Salt Lake City Rams
Salt Lake City Cougars
Salt Lake City Bison
Salt Lake Cyclones
Utah Tornadoes
Utah Cyclones
Utah Blizzard
Salt Lake City Cheetahs
Utah Dragons
Salt Lake Lizards
Are any of these not total trash? Lol</div></div>
I'm sure they will use "Utah" as the placename for the team to incorporate a larger demographic into their fanbase.
I wonder if it will be the Utah Eagles. There is a connection to Smith's early hockey fandom and of course Eagles are local birds of prey in the area and they can keep some of the southwestern color schemes from Coyotes into the design (not that that is a primary concern).
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NHL
Apr. 10 at 5:39 p.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
There is absolutely no reason to move teams among divisions for the AZ to Utah move; it lines up perfectly fine as is and maintains the building rivalries amongst the teams.
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NHL
Apr. 10 at 1:00 a.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
Should Coyotes offersheet Brannstrom?
They need young D; he wants an opportunity to play.
He doesn't cost much but Sens will be approaching cap issues depending upon Pinto and RHD UFA situations. AZ has plenty of picks and cap space to leverage.
Brannstrom is not a priority for them but AZ is a good spot to reset; so I think the likelihood of him signing is pretty good (from the outside).
2 x $2.145 would cost a 3rd rounder
Maveric Lamoureux probably won't be ready for NHL action next year either but it shouldn't impact the left side
Forum:
NHL
Apr. 8 at 2:17 p.m.
Thread:
Who's your MVP for the 2023-24 season: McDavid or Any Other Player...???
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>Come on. Google "Bouchard Norris" and you'll see dozens of articles.</div></div>
I didn't know that I was obliged to research your points for you
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NHL
Apr. 8 at 11:48 a.m.
Thread:
Who's your MVP for the 2023-24 season: McDavid or Any Other Player...???
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>Depends on your sources, I guess.
<a href="https://thehockeywriters.com/2023-24-norris-trophy-tracker/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://thehockeywriters.com/2023-24-norris-trophy-tracker/</a></div></div>
I had heard some talking about Ekholm but that's the first I've seen put Bouchard in the mix. Early in the year Dobson and him were there but support for them among writers seems to have dropped off. Alex Chauvancy isn't a PHWA member or voter either.
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NHL
Apr. 8 at 10:42 a.m.
Thread:
Who's your MVP for the 2023-24 season: McDavid or Any Other Player...???
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>Bouchard doesn't rank top-3?
Honestly I don't think I'd have Makar in the top-3. I know that sounds like heresy because he's so good offensively, but his defensive game has been lacking this season and without MacKinnon he's well underwater at 5v5. That's not Norris caliber in my books.</div></div>
I only did the 3 publicly discussed candidates in the analysis. Bouchard hasn't been in the conversation amongst the national media.
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NHL
Apr. 7 at 3:15 p.m.
Thread:
Who's your MVP for the 2023-24 season: McDavid or Any Other Player...???
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>So McDavid gets dinged for being injured and then playing through that injury? That's dumb... if anything, it highlights his importance to his team even more.</div></div>
If you are just going to take 1 point I made and ignore all the others then don't bother. I am making objective observations as a fan.
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NHL
Apr. 5 at 9:59 a.m.
Thread:
Who's your MVP for the 2023-24 season: McDavid or Any Other Player...???
Thinking about it more, the other factor that hurts McDavid is that start to the season (15% of the schedule). Going from pre-season Cup favorite to playing so poorly (as the Captain, best player, and leader it matters) that the coach gets fired has got to be a hole that McDavid might not be able to climb out of. Depends upon how voters set aside recency bias or not; but I think it will weigh in when the season is over.
Kucherov and MacKinnon's consistently elite play all season probably wins out. Choosing between them probably comes down to "it's his turn" for MacKinnon.
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NHL
Apr. 4 at 8:42 p.m.
Thread:
Who's your MVP for the 2023-24 season: McDavid or Any Other Player...???
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>To be fair to Matthews here... Is that Washington's most likely in the top 16 when they catch up in games... and Matthews does well vs Washington (3-3-5-8)
I feel like GPG should also be added... as Matthews' 2 biggest arguments aren't on display
In total, though, very surprising results</div></div>
GPG is in there just take the first # and divide by games.
Washington is in the top 16 #s for Toronto since it would take the 17th ranked team into consideration (pulling Toronto out)
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NHL
Apr. 4 at 4:11 p.m.
Thread:
Who's your MVP for the 2023-24 season: McDavid or Any Other Player...???
Did the same for the 3 Norris Trophy candidates. Not that Points is the end-all-be-all for the award; but since all of them are offensive defenseman wanted to see what it looks like:
Vs Top 8 teams (not including their own of course):
Makar 2-15 17 pts in 16 games: 1.063 ppg
Hughes 2-16 18 pts in 19 games: 0.947 ppg
Josi 3-16 19 pts in 24 games: 0.792 ppg
Vs Top 16 teams (not including their own of course):
Makar 9-26 35 pts in 34 games: 1.029 ppg
Hughes 7-31 38 pts in 38 games: 1.000 ppg
Josi 7-27 34 pts in 42 games: 0.810 ppg
vs the "bottom 15" teams:
Makar 10-36 46 pts in 36 games: 1.278 ppg
Josi 12-30 42 pts in 33 games: 1.273 ppg
Hughes 9-39 48 pts in 38 games: 1.263 ppg
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Other Leagues
Apr. 4 at 1:56 p.m.
Thread:
NCAA Hockey Realignment & Expansion
Way too early to know how it will affect college hockey, but <a href="https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfl-works-with-college-presidents-to-form-super-league" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">this</a> is an explosive development for NCAA sports:
I can't help but see the changes and litigation going on in NCAA, CHL, U-Sports, USHL and wonder if there is a path forward for amatuer hockey to retain some of the structure of Junior Hockey and College Hockey access without major disruptions throughout the evolution of NIL and Unionization of players.
Hockey, for now, seems like the one collegiate sport that can survive outside of the "Super League" structure since it already has for so long but you never want to discount how this can impact the game. For example if budget cuts are rampant for non-Super League teams how does the athletic department handle it.
The Big Ten (+Notre Dame) schools will be fine and in fact this could even grant them more advantages in recruiting if the Super League status gives them more sponsorship opportunities and exposure to maximize NIL for hockey players. But the non-Super League schools, for example Bowling Green, Miami (OH), UConn, and Western Michigan could be impacted in their athletic department and it trickle down to hockey.
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NHL
Apr. 4 at 1:00 p.m.
Thread:
Who's your MVP for the 2023-24 season: McDavid or Any Other Player...???
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>Oh... It's because Nylander's doing well... I get that
And don't forget, the Leafs were in WC1 at one point...
I don't think there's a bad option out of: Matthews, MacKinnon, Kuch and McDavid</div></div>
I'm just pointing out the main items that are brought up to "split hairs" between these guys. It's probably the closest and with the most players of being worthy that I can recall in several decades.
The drumbeat on Kucherov is that he is 45 points farther ahead than anyone on his team. The opposite of that is McDavid-Draisatl; MacKinnon-Rantanen; Matthews-Nylander. What "helps" one guys case "hurts" the others. McDavid dragging his team from the precipice of disaster is impressive; Kucherov holding the Lightning in the mix is also; Matthews might be on that scale but not to the level of those guys. But then we can't also ignore that MacKinnon's elite consistency all year never allowed his team to slide that far down.
It is the most subjective thing at this point and none of these teams would be as good this year without these players.
I was curious about how they played against elite competition:
<strong>Vs Top 8 teams (not including their own of course):</strong>
Kucherov 15-21 36 pts in 20 games: 1.800 ppg
Panarin 11-14 25 pts in 19 games: 1.316 ppg
McDavid 3-18 21 pts in 17 games: 1.235 ppg
MacKinnon 8-12 20 pts in 17 games: 1.176 ppg
Matthews 12-10 22 pts in 21 games: 1.048 ppg
Pastrnak 7-8 15 pts in 17 games: 0.882 ppg
<strong>Vs Top 16 teams (not including their own of course):
</strong>
Kucherov 29-44 73 pts in 39 games: 1.872 ppg
McDavid 12-53 65 pts in 36 games: 1.806 ppg
MacKinnon 20-37 57 pts in 36 games: 1.583 ppg
Pastrnak 18-32 50 pts in 40 games: 1.250 ppg
Matthews 26-22 48 pts in 40 games: 1.200 ppg
Panarin 20-27 47 pts in 40 games: 1.175 ppg
<strong>vs the "bottom 15" teams:
</strong>
MacKinnon 27-43 70 pts in 39 games: 1.795 ppg
Panarin 25-38 63 pts in 36 games: 1.750 ppg
McDavid 17-44 61 pts in 36 games: 1.694 ppg
Kucherov 13-44 57 pts in 35 games: 1.629 ppg
Matthews 37-14 51 pts in 34 games: 1.500 ppg
Pastrnak 28-26 54 pts in 36 games: 1.500 ppg
I was really surprised at these results. This shows that Kucherov has been uniquely dominant against top level teams; McDavid is consistent across all levels but slight dip against the high end; and while all of them are still elite: Matthews, MacKinnon, Panarin and Pastrnak feast on the weak (as expected). Matthews goal scoring rate vs "good teams" vs "bad teams" is pretty stark (about half the rate).
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NHL
Apr. 4 at 10:49 a.m.
Thread:
Who's your MVP for the 2023-24 season: McDavid or Any Other Player...???
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>Aren't these the same thing though?The Leafs needed to rely on Matthews to make the playoffs... (without him, they lose 10+ games right off the bat... Putting them out of the playoffs by a wide margin) the same as saying the Lightning won't make the playoffs for sure without Kuch?
Obviously, it doesn't matter as you have 29 winning the hart, but it's weird the difference for Matthews and Kuch</div></div>
Not exactly because Nylander is having a career year and the Leafs' playoff spot has never really been in jeopardy.
But it's all just splitting hairs; especially this season.
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NHL
Apr. 4 at 10:22 a.m.
Thread:
T. Jeannot (TBL) vs. R. Reaves (TOR)
Deslauriers to me is the heavyweight champ in the league right now. Some others, including Reaves are in the mix but nobody has taken the mantle from Deslauriers. All the other guys hope to just draw even with Deslauriers
Forum:
NHL
Apr. 4 at 10:12 a.m.
Thread:
Who's your MVP for the 2023-24 season: McDavid or Any Other Player...???
This is easily one of the most difficult years to select an MVP or James Norris; many many deserving players. Josi has come on strong and led his team to playoffs to enter both races.
Matthews, MacKinnon, McDavid, Kucherov, and Panarin
Hughes, Makar, and Josi
In many voters minds MacKinnon was robbed of the MVP in 2017–18 and I do think that will factor in. The home points streak and his extended games points streak and his consistency all year are factors in his favor; having other elite players like Rantanen, Makar, and Nichushkin (our record without Val is a major concern) on the team probably hurts him. But MacKinnon has taken on the mantle of leadership and been dominating this year from wire-to-wire and his play has elevated those around him even more than any other year I've seen from the Avs.
If Oilers win their division and McDavid wins the scoring race then I think it becomes razor thin margins. Putting his team on his back and elevating his and their play in all zones to save a trainwreck of a season with very likely hitting 100+ assists and challenging the Canucks for the division is insane. This season has been one of his most impressive despite not scoring as much as he did in previous years. If he wins the Art Ross but the team doesn't win the division then there could be a little bit of "he's got his flowers already, time for someone else" type of voting mentality.
Yes Matthews flirting with 70 goals is impressive but this year, while losing Marner for a good chunk has helped his cause, but Nylander having a career year and the team not being as dominant hurts his case. His two-way play helps him. I think that many writers will think to themselves that "he won the Rocket Richard" that's good enough.
Kucherov has been dominant all season for a Lightning team that would easily miss the playoffs without him. With Vasy out, their D a patchwork of AHL players, and down years from Stamkos and Point; Kuch has been elite and consistent all season long. The drop off in production in after him is stark: 40+ points to the next player on the Lightning.
You could almost say the same thing for Panarin in NYR too.
All of these guys are the driving force for their teams and they would not have the level of success without them. The award goes “to the player adjudged to be the most valuable to his team.” and all of them and including guys like Artemi Panarin, Quinn Hughes, JT Miller, Roman Josi, Connor Hellebuyck, Cale Makar, David Pastrnak, Sebastian Aho, Sasha Barkov, and Sam Reinhart fit that description so well.
Whoever wins, we'll be debating this one for a few years because there are legit cases for so many guys having elite seasons.
Assuming the D don't get in the MVP finalists...
Art Ross - Connor McDavid
Rocket Richard - Auston Matthews
Ted Lindsay - Nikita Kucherov
Hart - Nathan MacKinnon
Forum:
NHL
Apr. 4 at 12:42 a.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Idk he's not having a strong season rn and the offers may not be that high from contenders. The smart move may be go to Avs on a 1 year deal than cash out again
Like what he did when he signed a 1 year deal in FLA then got 4.5m with SEA
I could see a 2.5-2.8m 1 year deal</div></div>
Regardless of contract he is not a fit for Avs playstyle. I like Wennberg but he is an East-West type of player not a North-South guy. There are better fits for him than the Avs
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NHL
Apr. 3 at 8:02 p.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>I mean would moving Colton and adding Wennberg really be a sacrifice
As Wennberg has not had a crazy season so I could see him 1 year 2-2.5m with the Avs
Cause adding Walker on a 3.7m deal and Wennberg on a 2.5m deal is doable if yah move Colton</div></div>
Wennberg is unlikely to take anything less than $3.5m AAV and even that is pretty low. He's not a 50pt player but good defensively and a decent playmaker. He also does not play at the pace that the Avs prefer. Basically he's RyJo 2.0. We are not doing that again.
Also I can't see Walker taking less than $4 5m AAV unless it's a contender discount.
So I just don't even see how the scenario even appeals to the Avs.
If Landeskog is out then we'll make a run at Drouin & Walker in that order most likely.
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Other Leagues
Apr. 3 at 6:35 p.m.
Thread:
AHL-ECHL Teams/NHL Affiliations
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CameronSquires</b></div><div>I don’t understand though, wouldn’t a sale be better than ceasing operations? (Unless the sale was like outright outlandish)</div></div>
Yeah I don't know, haven't seen any of the details be discussed.
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NHL
Apr. 3 at 6:26 p.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Just saying trade Colton sign a 2-2.5m C and have the cap to maybe bring Walker back
Its not a bad idea if u think about it
Like u could probs get Wennberg under 3m rn on a 1 year deal</div></div>
I love Walker and wish we could make the room, but sacrificing a 3C is not what I would do. If it were a bottom 6 winger that might be different (Wood).
It is a bad idea, at least when/if Cal Ritchie can be a bonafide top 9 NHL center. Malinski has shown enough to be a 3rd pair defender for us. leaving the 3C role up to a free agent fit is not what we should pursue (we have had horrible luck in the past at doing that).
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Other Leagues
Apr. 3 at 6:25 p.m.
Thread:
AHL-ECHL Teams/NHL Affiliations
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsForLife</b></div><div>Thanks for the info. Apparently, the owner sold 3R to become league-owned and they will search for a new owner. I'm not sure why 3R got that option, but NL was terminated despite the 2 teams being in the same situation. I can understand wanting to mitigate travel costs, but I'd be surprised if the travel costs outweigh the additional revenue for having the only pro sports team in NL, and a successful one at that.</div></div>
I wonder how much revenue sharing there is amongst ECHL teams/owners or how they have/could mitigate the travel costs.
Forum:
NHL
Apr. 3 at 5:33 p.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>For sure but I got a feeling we may also see some cap shedding
As if Landeskog comes back for 2024-2025 they have around 10m in cap
Mittelstadt needs an extension and using comparables its gonna be around 5.5-6.25m
So that drops that 10m cap remaining by more than half and they need to sign 4 players to meet the 20man requirement
Could they explore a Ross Colton or Josh Manson trade to free more space who knows
Gonna be interesting.</div></div>
No cap shedding needed; just can't sign Drouin or Walker (to what they are worth) Casey extended at $5.25 AAV and a healthy Landeskog and then Malinski/Jones as 3rd pair with LOC on 3rd pair and 4th liners all at min or ELCs and we're good with 21 active players (our norm).
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4958170
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NHL
Apr. 3 at 4:44 p.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Well he wont come back and immediately thrive with that kind of injury but still even if u had to keep him as a 4th liner his presence alone would probs be beneficial</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Saskleaf</b></div><div>Depends on how good he is coming back. If he’s not much worse than before that is in no way a curse.</div></div>
If he is 75% of the player but still 100% of the leader, we'll be happy to have him back. The cap problem would be there for a year or two and might cost us Drouin and Walker re-signing (unless they take big discounts to stay). If he was on our 3rd line with Colton-Wood that would be a great line too.
With Cal Ritchie and Sean Behrens on the horizon we hope to have at least a few guys on cheap ELCs to contribute to maintaining the window.
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Other Leagues
Apr. 3 at 4:40 p.m.
Thread:
AHL-ECHL Teams/NHL Affiliations
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsForLife</b></div><div>I agree. The ECHL could not have done anything else wrong. First of all, I would have assumed that the ECHL would have had rules in place to prevent the same organization from owning multiple franchises and a Conflict of Interest. We saw that the NHL forced Andlauer to sell his stake in the Habs before taking ownership of the Sens. Second, it should have been 3Rivers that ceased operations because they were the ones that owned money. The Growlers should not have been a casualty of 3Rivers mismanagement.
Third, the Growlers had been around for longer and actually had success winning Division titles, a conference title, and a Kelly Cup, while 3R just started a few years ago and has struggled to make the playoffs.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CameronSquires</b></div><div>I agree with everything you've said, additionally, the Growlers have a better attendance in general to go along with it.</div></div>
From afar, it appears that the reason the Growlers ceased operations is because the Sale offer was not accepted or not acceptable by the ECHL. The current owner is obviously out, so if there is no new owner for the franchise it will cease. I think the questions should come up about whether or not an ownership group for an ECHL can be found in time to save the pro hockey for the community.
From the reporting Seth Cooper has done, it sounds like the other ECHL owners are not really excited to save the location due to the travel costs.
Forum:
NHL Signings
Apr. 2 at 4:22 p.m.
Thread:
Carolina Hurricanes signed Scott Morrow (3 Years / $1,158,333 AAV)
It will be really interesting to see how Carolina's roster construction for the right side of their D comes together for next season. With Burns age 39-40 next year and on his last year of contract, Pesce a UFA, Chatfield a UFA and taking a step, DeAngelo assuredly gone, and now signing Morrow on a pro deal but no AHL team to send him to (at least for now) things are certainly interesting for the Canes.
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