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LobsterMagnet19

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Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 25, 2017 at 4:08 p.m.
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Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 14, 2017 at 1:30 a.m.
Thread: Hey it's another Duchene thread!
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>F50marco</b></div><div><i><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LobsterMagnet19</b></div><div><i>

Considering the similarities with where the Avs are now and the Jackets were 2 years ago it's remarkable that this is so hard for you to get a handle on.</i></div></div>

Did the Jackets 2 years ago not have an identity? I think they had more of an identity then the Avs do now. The were a much closer team to the playoffs then the Avs are. Unless you mean the Jackets of old back in 11-12? That team was Rick Nash and nothing else pretty much.

I feel the Jackets are closer to where Colorado was in 13-14. The ice breaker will be if they show they weren't a flash in the pan like the Avs were every year after.

I get it, If I had Duchene, I wouldn't want to lose him for less than full value and I would be dissapointed in some of the offers shown but that doesn't mean they have been wrong. Truthfully, Colorado shouldn't trade Landy or Duchene right now. They will not get the right value back so might as well just keep them and hope for big seasons next year and then try to trade them when their value better reflects their talent and capabilities.</i></div></div>

A lot of this "identity" "flash in the pan" blah blah blah is just that, a bunch of blah blah blah. So let's talk specifics. The similarities are that just a few years ago, the Jackets were an inept defensive team with some good young forward talent locked up long term, some bad older deals, and a serious imbalance of F to D talent, but with some solid prospects still in the pipeline. Avs' current prospect pipeline is a bit thinner than what the Jackets' was at that point, but their top 3 pick this summer should alleviate that to a degree. So where does that leave us? Well what did the Jackets do? They traded their top C (where they had a small surplus) for a top D (where they were deficient). That's exactly what the Avs are looking to do, IF they trade Duchene or Landeskog.

The reason the asking price has been reported the way it has, is that there aren't a lot of situations like the Johansen for Jones out there (though Duchene for Hanifin is pretty similar IMO), what that leaves the Avs with are more high risk situations where they take someone on like Brandon Carlo, or Thomas Chabot, or whatever... someone with potential but also lots of development risk. In a deal like that, just like when the Avs traded O'Reilly, they get more pieces on the periphery to offset that risk. Think that's unrealistic? Well O'Reilly as an RFA with 1 year left forcing his way out of Colorado and putting the Avs in a disadvantageous bargaining position brought back a Dman who was a top 15 pick 2 years earlier (that blue chip D prospect), an NHL middle six player roster player, a high pick (31 OA) and a quality prospect (Compher). So yeah... getting the same for Duchene, who has outscored O'Reilly at every juncture of their career isn't unreasonable.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 13, 2017 at 10:35 p.m.
Thread: Hey it's another Duchene thread!
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jacketsman61</b></div><div><i><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LobsterMagnet19</b></div><div><i>It's not about the value here for me at all. It's about the fit. The Avalanche aren't just moving these guys for the sake of moving them or for the sake of rebuilding. They are trying, specifically, to find a long term solution on defense. This trade does not address it so I'd prefer they look elsewhere first. I don't have a big problem with value here as some have implied.</i></div></div>

The fit? The real question is what do the Avs want to be? Until they have an identity you have no idea what the fit is.</i></div></div>

Considering the similarities with where the Avs are now and the Jackets were 2 years ago it's remarkable that this is so hard for you to get a handle on.