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Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 25 at 1:53 p.m.
Thread: Rossi Traded
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>F50marco</b></div><div>That's what I assumed was the core reason for it but figured any GM making that somewhat known to other Gm's would be an absolute moron for doing so. In the game of business and negotiations, that is devaluing your own asset. No team would give you remotely what Guerin thinks he's worth then. Why would they? Whats the worst that will happen? Guerin will keep the asset that doesn't fit his team identity indefinitely? Risking devaluing him in the process? Hence why trying to sell him while his stock is at its highest.

This is just a theory based on the idea that he's actively being shopped of course. If Guerin is fine just keeping him until someone pays up, then there really isn't any smoke to this. Just a random rumor based on a team willing to listen and not reject instantaneously like others would normally do.</div></div>

Your theory about that tanking his value is incorrect, as has been observed extensively in any equity market such as stocks or housing. That would be true if all GMs were in cooperation against Guerin, but they're not. They're in competition with each other, as well. The price only needs to reach the point where the highest bidder feels like they're getting good value.

But you are correct in that Guerin is essentially telling the market what he does/doesn't value. Not a great strategy by textbook standards, but honestly, in today's NHL these GMs are all pals and really don't gouge each other the way you'd think. For the most part, they try and make fair deals. There's enough precedent around young players getting traded, that it's gonna be pretty formulaic. Team A gets Player X and Team B gets Player Y + Draft Pick Z.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 25 at 12:38 p.m.
Thread: Rossi Traded
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MNCountryClub</b></div><div>Guerin values and prioritizes size/grit. That's pretty much what it boils down to.

He believes the team needs to have more of an edge/nastiness to it. Not saying you or anyone else needs to agree, but that's the reasoning. It has nothing to do with his value being less than what's perceived.</div></div>

That's what I assumed was the core reason for it but figured any GM making that somewhat known to other Gm's would be an absolute moron for doing so. In the game of business and negotiations, that is devaluing your own asset. No team would give you remotely what Guerin thinks he's worth then. Why would they? Whats the worst that will happen? Guerin will keep the asset that doesn't fit his team identity indefinitely? Risking devaluing him in the process? Hence why trying to sell him while his stock is at its highest.

This is just a theory based on the idea that he's actively being shopped of course. If Guerin is fine just keeping him until someone pays up, then there really isn't any smoke to this. Just a random rumor based on a team willing to listen and not reject instantaneously like others would normally do.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 25 at 12:23 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 14 at 7:30 p.m.
Thread: Rossi Jiricek
There's a lot of domines that would need to fall in order for a trade like this to happen.

1. The Jackets think Jiricek's development is botched, or he's extremely unhappy (unlikely)
2. The Jackets think Rossi is a long-term upgrade on Sillinger, and can slot into the 2C Role where Silly becomes the long term 3C (possible)
3. Voronkov and Jenner go to the wing (likely)
4. The Jackets pick in the top 4 this year and select Levshunov, since Jiricek is the only RD in the system with top-pair potential, he wouldn't be available until another is in the system. (Unlikely, IMO).
5. Columbus is fine with taking another year to rebuild/retool since Levshunov isn't going to be NHL ready and Severson/Gudbranson/Boqvist aren't a top-pair defenseman. (unlikely management sees it that way)

Literally all of that would need to happen before this trade makes sense, otherwise we just keep Jiricek who's NHL-ready now. I'm not saying it's impossible, and I think there could be legs to the rumor, but a lot would need to fall into place first.