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Armchair-GM
May 20 at 4:45 p.m.
Thread:
Extremely unlikely makeover
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ship</b></div><div>love that you used a comp here, but also important to think about how that deal has aged. Not sure if that looks like a trade that should be replicated for a team looking to get a good return. I think Sabers were also hamstrung in that they HAD to move eichel. Nonetheless, def smart to use a comp like that for this trade so kudos.
i think the TVR tuch difference is pretty substantial. but the miro to Krebs difference is substantial as well in retrospect. At the time krebs was prob looked at on the same level as miro is now. i think Chychrun could return more than just protas. Protas is like a poor man's kopitar, but not sure he can take that next step. You'd think Chyrchrun could return more than just protas. I just feel like sens need more certain value for players like tkachuk and chychrun in my opinion.</div></div>
Yeah I’m sure you’re right and you probably know the Sens a whole lot better than I do. I figured I’d send out a flier to see if it had wings. I guess not then. Thanks for constructive feedback!
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Armchair-GM
May 20 at 2:34 p.m.
Thread:
Extremely unlikely makeover
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KrakenTheCode</b></div><div>I don't see the Kraken being at all interested in that swap. Wilson's contract is not going to age well at all and his production is already starting to dip as he heads into his 30s. Bjorkstrand is a more productive player at this point, so there's no way Seattle will consider trading their top pairing RHD to downgrade at forward.
FWIW, I can't envision the Capitals trading Wilson at all, especially not before his extension kicks in. If they were going to do that, they never would have extended him in the first place. Wilson strikes me as a player whose value to the Caps exceeds his value to other teams because of his history with DC, so I doubt there's a deal to be struck there.</div></div>
Yeah, maybe. But Larsson could walk after next season if Seattle isn’t competitive, and Bjorkstrom has 2 years until he’s UFA. Maybe Gourde, who’s also a pending UFA instead? Everyone knows what Wilson brings and it’s not always on the scoresheet. I think he’d be perfect for that young organization and yes, and rather not trade him away. I just feel like Larsson would be perfect to add to Caps D-roster and a natural heir to Carlson.
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Armchair-GM
May 20 at 2:26 p.m.
Thread:
Extremely unlikely makeover
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div>Not enough quality for Brady</div></div>
I feel like it’s the equivalent to the Eichel trade.
Miro > Krebs
TVR < Tuch
1st = 1st
2nd = 2nd
3rd >
Miro is lighting it up in the AHL playoffs and fell in the draft because of Hodgkin’s lymphoma. He might not be as sure if a thing as Leonard but his ceiling is imo a little higher.
Protas for Chychrun is a good-to-great deal for Ottawa.
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Armchair-GM
Apr. 30 at 7:34 a.m.
Thread:
Marner and lotta shufflin
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>"Professor Ovi"
"Yes, Alex"
"Tell me again about the..."</div></div>
I don’t get it? Too many deals or not enough value or what? Help me improve the offers instead of being a douche by writing “lol”
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Armchair-GM
Apr. 30 at 7:31 a.m.
Thread:
Marner and lotta shufflin
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>athrin</b></div><div>OTT declines</div></div>
Ok, why? Value seems fair considering it’s close to what you paid for him a year ago, he’ll be a free agent after next season.
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Armchair-GM
Apr. 30 at 7:29 a.m.
Thread:
Marner and lotta shufflin
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Friendly_Cannon</b></div><div>Jiricek did NOT request a trade.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Viqsi</b></div><div>"asked for a trade during the season"
Actually, no. No he did not. Never got anywhere near that, in fact. He expressed frustration that he was going back to the AHL at one point - y'know, like many prospects on most teams do early on in their development - and some wannabe pundit took that and fabricated a "trade request" out of thin air, and other folks pounced on that and ran with it with no further justification or research beyond "it's Columbus". It's literally completely made up. The guy for whom there's a "made a trade request"/"no he didn't"/"maybe he did" back-and-forth was Merzlikins.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>Jiricek voiced his displeasure at getting sent down, but I don't think he requested a trade.
And if you read<a href="https://theathletic.com/5231542/2024/01/28/blue-jackets-david-jiricek-ahl/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">the story</a>, he actually handled it fairly well.
<p class="tar"><em>“I played good hockey in the NHL. I’m an NHL player right now. That’s my opinion, that I should be in the NHL right now. I see guys from the same draft, like Simon Nemec and Korchinski… they get a chance on the power play. They play a ton of minutes in the NHL. Those are different teams, so different situations, but I can compare with them. I just want a chance to play like that. They told me the last game was not good enough for me. I told them I don’t think so, but that’s your opinion. I was out of the lineup after that. A whole month now, it feels like I haven’t played. It’s been most of the month without hockey, so I will play Saturday. After that, we’ll see.”</em></p></div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>I don't know why that text skewed to the side like that.</div></div>
Ok, sorry wasn’t trying to mislead. That’s what I remembered from that situation during the season. Aside from me misremembering, what would be have to added to 10th & Iorio to get it done? From a pure value perspective.
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Armchair-GM
Apr. 29 at 3:28 p.m.
Thread:
If I were to move Holtz
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>Just circling back.
What would need to be added in your eyes to a simple Holtz for Fehevary swap to make it fair?</div></div>
I think you were pretty close with what you said above. Holtz + 3rd is ok to me. That 10th OA is really interesting to me though with the shortage of high end prospects in the organization so I would much rather do the full package.
What’s Holtz ceiling in your opinion? And how likely is it that he reaches it? And why would the Devils be ready to move him?
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Armchair-GM
Apr. 28 at 6:11 p.m.
Thread:
If I were to move Holtz
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>Updated to use this proposal</div></div>
Nice doing business with you! :)
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Armchair-GM
Apr. 28 at 6:03 p.m.
Thread:
If I were to move Holtz
Caps would be very interested in Holtz as well.
2024 10th OA, Holtz
For
2024 17th OA, Fehervary, Malenstyn, Caps 3rd 2025
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Armchair-GM
Apr. 25 at 4:00 p.m.
Thread:
Getting younger
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DeclanLovesHockey</b></div><div>If Hronek was that cheap he would just stay in Vancouver -</div></div>
Ok, let’s say he asks for more than Hughes, would Van allow that? What about the value coming back?
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Armchair-GM
Apr. 25 at 3:58 p.m.
Thread:
Getting younger
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>StutzlesNumber1Fan</b></div><div>Sens pass.</div></div>
So how can we make it work?
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 23 at 6:46 p.m.
Thread:
Paying for 4 major pieces The Vegas way
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>Sweden, that seems like such a cool place to be from!
But the way you said "3 'all-offense' players", it sounds like none of them play defence or try to either... Personally, I would have gone with forwards, instead...
My thoughts are they should be looking to move off 1 of Nylander or Marner as, like you've stated, you can't have over 30 million dollars tied up in 3 players... I'd trade Marner for draft picks and prospects and use the cap space to resign Domi, Bert, Lilly and Benoit at that cap space
This then gives us 23 mill in cap space (assuming we move off of Timmins) to work with... Activate Jarny from LTIR and have Minten start the year next year to give 20 mill with 18 players on the roster, allowing you to go expensive for a Rielly pair and a cheaper Marner replacement (Could probably get Guentzel at 8 or could get Toffoli at 5 or could get Turbo at 6 or could get Tarasenko at 3.5, all these are estimates).
I'd then leverage our team and our analytics department to sign more risky players, using the ton of cap space I have and start calling Crosby/someone else about waiving their NMC to go to Toronto (using the Marner assets that I would not want to keep) in an attempt to load up for a 2025 run.
Then, I would resign all my guys as the JT contract comes off the books and Cowan should make the jump to run it back in 2026
I know this is a lot but if you are still reading this; thank you</div></div>
No, thank you for taking the time to write back. Sweden has its ups and downs, but wouldn’t want to live anywhere else :)
Yeah, I hear you about that phrasing (without the context of all the swirling thoughts in my head as a backstory). I guess with all of them putting up those number of points it’s easy to unintentionally lump them up as all-offense.
I Iike your idea about the Leafs, Tavares contract coming off the books opens up some doors.
What pieces (sans Leonard) would you trade Marner for to the Caps? McMichael, 1st and what else?
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 23 at 2:24 p.m.
Thread:
Paying for 4 major pieces The Vegas way
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>I get that... But attack something else, taking too much of the cap or maybe 2/3 not being better than 10 NHL players despite getting top 10 NHL salary...
Just don't attack them are something they are one of the best in the league at... It makes you look bad</div></div>
It was not an attack at you or them at all, or any attack at all for that matter? And forgive me if I’m maybe not getting my thoughts through, English is not my native language (i’m from Sweden).
I won’t argue with you about their all around play but I doubt that consensus is that AM and MM are “ 2 of the top 5 defensive all rounding players in the Nhl.”
What are your thoughts on the Leafs committing that kind of cap space to three players when the rest of the team is lacking in depth and all around quality?
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 23 at 5:54 a.m.
Thread:
Paying for 4 major pieces The Vegas way
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>cooliny</b></div><div>The Canucks gave up the 17th and a pick in the 40s for Hronek. In terms of value, this offer barely matches that. But from the moment we acquired him to now, his value has skyrocketed, so it’ll cost way more than this.
I’d be in talks to moving him if he were to ask for $8M+, but the pieces I’d be interested in are Fehervary, Leonard, 1st, or Liljegren (dependent on the TOR trade(.</div></div>
In terms of value isn’t this offer higher than what Canucks gave up? And I think it’s fair to at least question how much he has improved personally and how much he’s been elevated by Hughes? He’s also due for a substantial payday which shouldn’t improve his trade value. And both the 1st (unprotected) and Liljegren were included, if you want to swap Liljegren for Fehervary that’s not an issue I figured you wanted a RHD to replace Hronek.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 23 at 5:47 a.m.
Thread:
Paying for 4 major pieces The Vegas way
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GiggywithGibby</b></div><div>When you have too many centers, you push them to the wing, not trade them out for a collection of downgrading assets. Anaheim still needs high ceiling forwards to round out the wings in the top 6, that'll be where Zegras goes. We've already got equivalent pieces to what's being offered in our prospect system, it's not like Pittsburgh where a quantity offer is appealing because our cupboard is baren, were stocked up.
As stated, in order for the caps to acquire Z, it'll take at least Leonard.</div></div>
You’re not wrong, I guess. I mean, he certainly has the skills but winning isn’t only about having the most skilled players. If he can bring back pieces to Anaheim which makes them more likely to win I believe they’ll be open to it. This current season hasn’t exactly boost Zegras trade value either.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 23 at 5:40 a.m.
Thread:
Paying for 4 major pieces The Vegas way
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>draft_em_sign_em_trade_em</b></div><div>Oh, sorry I guess Gretzky and Messier didn't have a dynasty.</div></div>
I don’t think comparing the 80’s Oilers in a non Cap era to the current Leafs is very accurate or productive. I’m not here for a pissing contest, I’m trying to amuse myself (and hopefully others) by finding creative ways to “help” my beloved Caps win another Cup (in a friendly and constructive matter).
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 23 at 5:35 a.m.
Thread:
Paying for 4 major pieces The Vegas way
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>You've clearly not watched the Leafs if you think this is the case...
1. Matthews is the most well rounded player in the league... Let alone just his team
2. Matthews and Marner (2/3 players) are top 5 in defensive forwards in the league...</div></div>
Yet they can’t build a deep enough squad to legitimately challenge because of all money tied up into AM, MM & WN. I’m not hating on your players, I’m just trying identify a flawed roster construction and pointing to something I think would enhance both teams in different ways.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 22 at 10:49 p.m.
Thread:
Paying for 4 major pieces The Vegas way
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>theleano1</b></div><div>No problem! I'm sure you would be able to find another guy with similar skillset with that package just not interesting enough for Vancouver to move off a guy that our captain loves to play with</div></div>
Yeah, I was hoping the cap crunch would maybe squeeze him closer to the door. Could an increase in offer change their mind?
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 22 at 10:47 p.m.
Thread:
Paying for 4 major pieces The Vegas way
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>lol at marner being an "all offence" player</div></div>
Yeah, he’s the most well rounded of the three, maybe a little uncalled for to call them that, but as a trio you think offense when it comes to those three. Clearly not the point of my proposal though.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 22 at 10:42 p.m.
Thread:
Paying for 4 major pieces The Vegas way
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>theleano1</b></div><div>We can match anything up to 8 comfortably, there just isn't enough value for us to split up one of the best pairs in the league.</div></div>
Ok, I’ll take your word for it! Thanks for the feedback.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 22 at 10:38 p.m.
Thread:
Paying for 4 major pieces The Vegas way
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>theleano1</b></div><div>Canucks pass if Hronek signs for 7 Vancouver happily keeps him</div></div>
Caps can offer him 7,750,000 if that’s what it comes down to. I’m more interested in the value of the deal. Is the sum of parts equally valued and does it improve the overall chances for Nucks to field a cup-contending team?
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 22 at 10:37 p.m.
Thread:
Paying for 4 major pieces The Vegas way
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>yeboi6</b></div><div>dont think nucks would do that
i dont think hughes would be very happy if they were split and the canucks are honestly in win now mode with the core we have</div></div>
Yes, I understand that, but isnt downgrading from Hronek to Liljegren worth it if it keeps Zadorov in Vancouver? Can they afford to re-sign both? Isn’t Soucy a good fit for Hughes as well as Hronek?
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 22 at 10:32 p.m.
Thread:
Paying for 4 major pieces The Vegas way
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GeneralLandro</b></div><div>Zegras is going to take Leonard for us to show interest in moving him
Pretty simple really</div></div>
Noted! I guess Caps will pass then.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 8 at 8:25 a.m.
Thread:
Looking forward
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>athrin</b></div><div>they may trade chabot instead of chych. Senko only waived for FLA because of his family, so yes players make decision of were they want to go for family reasons</div></div>
With all do respect, Tarasenko and Chychrun are not in similar situations and had Florida not been playoff bound, he likely wouldn’t have waived to go there.
I respect your opinion and will not try to forced mine on you. I hope Chychrun ends up on the Caps, and if Sens opt to trade Chabot instead, I wish them the best of luck with considering his contract and injury-history.
My reasons for posting on Capfriendly is to gauge value on players and try to find deals to improve all parties involved. if mine is lopsided I’ll gladly rework it to make it suit both teams.
What would it take from your POV to get Chychrun to the Caps?
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 8 at 8:15 a.m.
Thread:
Looking forward
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>athrin</b></div><div>....chych himself said he wants to stay, he bought a house 5 min from his sister and 10 min from his grandfather, the only reason OTT would trade him is to get LD/RD balance, but with chabot always injured (he is injured again) they may not trade him at all. OTT has ALL the leverage vs a team wanting chych.</div></div>
If that’s the case I’ll stand corrected. I’ve just been reading rumors about him not wanting to re-sign, which would shift the leverage away from the Sens. And I don’t think living close to his sister will determine career-decisions for him.
So, because Chabot is injured sometimes you rather never have RD/LD balance then to have it when he isn’t injured. Do I understand you correctly?
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