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NHL Signings
Jan. 9 at 5:24 a.m.
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Toronto Maple Leafs signed William Nylander (8 Years / $11,500,000 AAV)
Good deal for him, I think the cap hit and length is in line with his production and in relation to his contemporaries on his own team.
Bad deal for Toronto. They really have given the market value to their top forwards (no hometown discount) and waited too long to actually have any other viable options but to resign at market value. I think we've seen that the 4 headed/half the cap approach on FOUR FORWARDS has not worked. ANd because they've tied their ship to this venture, they ae constantly stuck in this wash, rinse, repeat cycle of bargain basement depth/trading futures for temporary fixes/UFAs/and poor evaulation or lack of importance on goaltending.
I guess I'd have more faith in the leafs if I had any belief that they actually recognize the faults/weaknesses and werent just interested in regular season offense. Say for example, Woll turns out to be the ONE, but similar to Murray, Samsonov, Mrazek, Jones we cant ignore that those players came to us for specific reasons (injuries, historical meltdowns, etc...) and didnt last.
Its also this path that has led to a near league bottom prospect pool, lack of picks over the next 3 yrs, (which will get worse at this TDL) and overly reliant still on annual bargain shopping or flawed UFAs.
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NHL Signings
Jan. 8 at 7:49 p.m.
Thread:
Toronto Maple Leafs signed William Nylander (8 Years / $11,500,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CSStrowbridge</b></div><div>The salary cap is going up by just over $4 million this off season. Idiotic is going to be the standard for a UFA this summer.</div></div>
Yes fair enough but still, Willys good but he’s not THAT good
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NHL Signings
Jan. 8 at 7:46 p.m.
Thread:
Toronto Maple Leafs signed William Nylander (8 Years / $11,500,000 AAV)
That's a big overpayment. Off. 4 players. 45 million dollars.
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NHL Signings
Jan. 8 at 7:08 p.m.
Thread:
Toronto Maple Leafs signed William Nylander (8 Years / $11,500,000 AAV)
I'm going to have a tough time adjusting to double digit salaries if everyone is going to get them.
The question I ask is whether this is a player that gets it done regardless of the team around him. I'm not sure that applies to Nylander.
I don't mean to discredit him, but there are bigger threats in Toronto. If there are no Matthews and Marner, does Nylander still produce at that rate? I'm not convinced.
$9M is my limit for that next tier of players which I feel Nylander fits into. Still great, just not on the same level.
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NHL Signings
Jan. 8 at 6:28 p.m.
Thread:
Toronto Maple Leafs signed William Nylander (8 Years / $11,500,000 AAV)
Love this deal as it means the Leafs arent serious about winning the Cup. Another expensive top forward hasnt worked so far, so keep on doing it again! perfect sense. Dont worry about a weak defense and a terrible goal tending situation...that just fixes itself, its science.
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NHL Signings
Jan. 8 at 4:49 p.m.
Thread:
Toronto Maple Leafs signed William Nylander (8 Years / $11,500,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CSStrowbridge</b></div><div>He's on pace for almost exactly 120 points. He would have gotten $12 million on the free market, maybe more.</div></div>
Yah and his previous career high is 87. Making him the highest payed winger in the league would have been beyond idiotic
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NHL Signings
Jan. 8 at 4:29 p.m.
Thread:
Toronto Maple Leafs signed William Nylander (8 Years / $11,500,000 AAV)
The Leafs overpaid again. Signed Nylander at his absolute peak value for about a million more than they should have.
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NHL Signings
Jan. 8 at 4:02 p.m.
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Toronto Maple Leafs signed William Nylander (8 Years / $11,500,000 AAV)
This is exactly why you should sign players before the massive offensive season occurs. That's easier said than done, but it's done all the time. Waiting 3 months into the season cost the Leafs about 15-20% more AAV. If they have the confidence that he's worth this much over the next 8 years, then why didn't they have the confidence to sign him for less during the summer? And yes, I highly doubt he'd have turned down $9.5M or $10M AAV for 8 years before this season started.
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NHL Signings
Jan. 8 at 2:23 p.m.
Thread:
Toronto Maple Leafs signed William Nylander (8 Years / $11,500,000 AAV)
winning comes second :(
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NHL Signings
Jan. 8 at 1:34 p.m.
Thread:
Toronto Maple Leafs signed William Nylander (8 Years / $11,500,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MadLin27</b></div><div>You lose all credibility when you say Willy is an 8-9 million dollar player.
Just a ridiculous thing to say.
I'll listen to someone saying its 250k-1mill overpay, but 2.5-3.5 overpay??? Ridiculous.</div></div>
He is though...
Has Nylander hit 50 goals?
Has Nylander hit 100 points?
Is Nylander serviceable defensively?
Has Nylander carried a team the way David Pastrnak has?
Is Nylander the 5th best player in the NHL?
Why are all these answers no?
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NHL Signings
Jan. 8 at 1:12 p.m.
Thread:
Toronto Maple Leafs signed William Nylander (8 Years / $11,500,000 AAV)
Bad deal
Nylander's an 8-9 million dollar player
He plays against 2nd line competition, and he doesn't go full throttle all the time
If he hits a scoring slump, he doesn't offer positive value bc his defence sucks...
I hope TO gets a cup but it becomes harder
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NHL Signings
Jan. 8 at 1:11 p.m.
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Toronto Maple Leafs signed William Nylander (8 Years / $11,500,000 AAV)
For a team that "everybody wants to play for" they sure seem like they have to pay people a lot of money to play for them.
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NHL Signings
Jan. 8 at 1:11 p.m.
Thread:
Toronto Maple Leafs signed William Nylander (8 Years / $11,500,000 AAV)
Treliving is destroying the franchise
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NHL Signings
Jan. 8 at 12:05 p.m.
Thread:
Toronto Maple Leafs signed William Nylander (8 Years / $11,500,000 AAV)
Brutal deal in my opinion. Way too expensive for a 1 way forward. Sure, it might make sense on another team, but for the Leafs who already have 3 other 10m+ forwards (2 of them being elite scorers) this deal is a bad one. Poor cap management even with the "cap is rising" argument in play. Yeah Tavares and Marner will be getting new deals in 2 years. Marner will make more than Nylander.
Just seems like to me the money could be better spent elsewhere if this team was actually trying to win a Stanley Cup.
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NHL Signings
Jan. 8 at 11:58 a.m.
Thread:
Toronto Maple Leafs signed William Nylander (8 Years / $11,500,000 AAV)
Seems like the salary cap doesn’t apply to Toronto…and they still haven’t learned their lesson in cap management.
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NHL Signings
Sep. 28, 2022 at 11:08 a.m.
Thread:
Florida Panthers signed Spencer Knight (3 Years / $4,500,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>budgeteam</b></div><div>If he has a .930 over 55+ games next season, he is asking for a long term deal at 7-8 million. Which means Florida loses him.
Oettinger just got 4M off of 77 career regular season games and a very strong 7 game playoff run.
I think the reason Florida signed this contract was because even if the odds dictate that Knight will cost less on a 3 year bridge if they wait 1 year, they aren't in a position where they can afford to gamble on the smaller chance that he breaks out as a starter and they cannot keep him. Next off season is going to be similar to this one, there won't be many options available in free agency or trade for teams needing goalies. The Panthers simply can't risk Knight having a strong season and pricing himself out of Florida. Then they are stuck with a declining Bobrovsky, no plan B, and no real replacement in net.
They overpaid by 1M to avoid a worst case scenario. They were dealing from a position of weakness because of how the Bobrovsky contract handcuffed them.</div></div>
Thing is... he can't overprice himself, he would have been a RFA next season without Arbitration rights. And even if he would have like 94% save percentage he would get like 5,5M from the open market... So Still. No point of making this deal now
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NHL Signings
Sep. 27, 2022 at 6:26 p.m.
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Florida Panthers signed Spencer Knight (3 Years / $4,500,000 AAV)
This seems a really unnecessary deal. Its a year early so there was no rush. They signed him gor a contract that very good young goalies get and he has been essentially okay. He was great in like 6 games in his first year and meh at best his second.
Unless he steals the crease with a 930 in like 55+ games this deal will AT BEST be okay. I just don't see the upside
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NHL Trades
Aug. 18, 2022 at 9:14 p.m.
Thread:
(CGY/MTL) - Monahan, conditional 2025 1st for future considerations
This is another example of a trade where the team making a cap dump tries to save face with a conditional draft pick that is ridiculous:
The Jonathan Bernier trade between Toronto and Anaheim from 6 years ago:
https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/28808
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NHL Signings
Sep. 3, 2022 at 9:44 p.m.
Thread:
San Jose Sharks signed Evgeny Svechnikov (1 Year / $750,000 AAV)
Changed agents yesterday, got contract today - not bad.
a) did previous agent not shop Svech enough or give Svech bad advice/unrealistic expectations, thus no contract or
b) did Svech actually switch agents earlier this summer and Milstein (new agent) didn't announce the switch until he was confident that he got his client a contract
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NHL Signings
Aug. 7, 2022 at 2:44 p.m.
Thread:
Calgary Flames signed Jonathan Huberdeau (8 Years / $10,500,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ricochetii</b></div><div>That's fair, but we all know GMs aren't always as rational.
Players have been hitting $9-10M for a few years and through a flat cap. It's going to increase with the cap projected to start rising again.</div></div>
Kadri is still a free agent.
Gaudreau didn't attract that many suitors one he left calgary.
Klingberg had to settle for a 1 year deal after nothing materialized.
I am not saying that for sure Huberdeau would end up holding the bag, but turning down 8 x 10.5 with great terms (buyout proof signing bonuses, NMC for most of it) would be incredibly risky. 8 x 10.5 with those terms is higher than the ceiling of what he could reasonably expect as a UFA. Gaudreau got 7 x 9.75. Huberdeau got nearly 16 million more than Gaudreau. Part of that is due to the 8th year, but it is unlikely Huberdeau recovers that 10.5M on his next contract when he is 37 years old if he signs 7 years as a UFA with someone else. So it has to factor in.
He got an amazing offer from Calgary, and he would have had to really not want to play in Calgary to turn it down. For Huberdeau to get anything close to this as a UFA, everything would have to go right for him this year in Calgary, and he'd still have to get lucky in free agency. He sold himself high and took advantage of the situation Calgary was in optics wise, where they had to re-sign him after losing their two biggest stars in the same off season. Which isn't me saying that Calgary was wrong to extend him, but Huberdeau hit a home run here in terms of his contract.
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NHL Signings
Jul. 28, 2022 at 8:16 p.m.
Thread:
New York Rangers signed Kaapo Kakko (2 Years / $2,100,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CEO</b></div><div>Paying for future production is better than paying for past production</div></div>
What about paying for no production? 🤨
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NHL Signings
Jul. 25, 2022 at 7:28 p.m.
Thread:
Carolina Hurricanes signed Ryan Dzingel (1 Year / $750,000 AAV)
Canes legend
Wait what?
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NHL Signings
Jul. 22, 2022 at 3:32 p.m.
Thread:
Columbus Blue Jackets signed Patrik Laine (4 Years / $8,700,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>IconicHawk</b></div><div>So the only things that they need to do is figure out who’s a liability and overpaid</div></div>
Well... Gudbranson lol
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NHL Signings
Jul. 22, 2022 at 3:11 p.m.
Thread:
Columbus Blue Jackets signed Patrik Laine (4 Years / $8,700,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SnakeDelilah</b></div><div>blue jackets went from being in the pits of despair this time last year to being absolutely frightening on paper oml</div></div>
You can thank the Blackhawks for that.
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NHL Signings
Jul. 13, 2022 at 7:49 p.m.
Thread:
Columbus Blue Jackets signed Johnny Gaudreau (7 Years / $9,750,000 AAV)
JG's Agent: We have a 9,8m × 7 offer from Col-
JG: DEAL
JG's Agent : Well pack your bags to Columbus
JG: WTF?!? I though I signed in Colorado!
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