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Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 4:08 a.m.
Thread: Has the Stamkos Era Ended
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mike384</b></div><div>Pittsburgh don't need RD, we have Karlsson, Letang and St. Ivany. You're also asking for higher picks. Koivuinen is a prospect they wanted from CAR, and we have no reason to trade for another unknown commodity. I don't know anything about Cooper Foster nor Sean Farrell. This offer just does not solve anything we require.</div></div>

You are one injury away from not having your top three RD. Your only RD in the system is St. Ivany. I appreciate you can sign Nolan Collins off of your reserve lists this summer. Having an extra higher-ceiling RHD, like Barron, would be a good edition to the Penguins. The fit isn't great in Montreal for Barron, but his talent his undeniable.

Don't forget Koivunen was drafted 51st overall and Barron 25th overall. (And Carolina did not part with any A level prospects in the Guentzel trade.)
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 3:47 a.m.
Thread: Has the Stamkos Era Ended
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>yeah they are the ones you are trying to trade for better prospects</div></div>

I believe Justin Barron has the highest ceiling out of these 4 prospects. Sydney Crosby was high on this guy two years ago.

I think Barron needs a reset in a market that will appreciate him more. He can learn from Karlsson and Letang, and not be given so much pressure like Montreal is putting on him.

Pittsburgh top-6 is going to be very hard to crack these next couple of years. Justin Barron has RHD #2 potential and would slot in well as 3rd pairing for the next couple years to learn from two of the best RHD in the world.
Ville Koivunen is a middle 6 player. Sean Farrell would likely slot into the bottom six. Cooper Foster was 6th round draft pick with some potential, not sure where he would slot in though.
Barron has much more upside than what the Montreal environment has provided him to grow.
Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 9:40 a.m.
Thread: Reunite Marner and Kadri
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Billy316</b></div><div>Leafs Window to Compete is every year
Their Window to win was in 1967
They never truly rebuild they just lean into injury heavy seasons and draft well.
Or over invest in bad contracts and play dumb as to why they can compete properly.

Truth is Marner isnt bad but he's not selling high right now like Markstrom is
IMO you move Marner to DAL in a deal for Benn. Its an upgrade for DAL
Marner would be a good fit in DAL and i think Benn fits in TML as well
With 1 more year left on either contract it gives both a chance to rebound their value on a new team before becoming UFA's.
If they wanted both players could re-sign with their original teams i suppose for some more diehard fans benefit who might not want either to go.

Marner has more value then Benn so it means TML will still get paid to some degree.


With Center Depth like this TML improves while the DAL still has Hintz,Pavelski,Duchene,Faksa and Glendenning who are all high volume Faceoff guys with 4/5 capable of 55%+ faceoff win rate
TML losing Marner on wing hurts but TML opens up almost 2m cap but could pay a 3rd party to RS on Benn if they want more cap
But an upgrade at Center and 2m extra to add an additional players isnt bad as long as the return with it is good.</div></div>

Interesting trade proposition. Can you provide the exact trade outline, just so I can visualize. As you said Benn for Marner, 1 for 1 won't happen.
Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 8:39 a.m.
Thread: Marner Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ansabch12</b></div><div>Dude the value isn’t the issue in the trade the problem is that Marner makes no sense for the Flames.

You get him for one year and then he immediately demands 12 mil which for a rebuilding team is beyond stupid considering we already have Huberdeau long term.

I don’t understand why you guys can’t see that there is no fit for him on a non-competitive team, not to mention giving away one of our two viable NHL caliber dmen to bring in another extremely overpaid winger is not a recipe for success.

Unless the Flames are getting Marner for free it isn’t worth it for us, it doesn’t matter how much regular season success he has.</div></div>

Appreciate your opinion. From a (true) fit perspective, I can't comment as a Habs fan.
As long as value is fair (within reason), I think that is most important for me when creating ACGMs. (Everyone's goal on here is different ofc.)

All I can say is that the Flames are way further along a rebuild in terms of the pieces they have, compared to the Habs.
(And as a Habs fans, we don't really want to see the Flames succeed, because your 2025 first *infinite conditions belongs to us.)
That said I still want to see the Stanley Cup back in Canada ASAP, regardless of which Canadian team winning it.

If you want younger talent you can move guys like Kuzmenko and Sharangovich around, to gain more assets, but Marner is a once in a life-time acquisition. Would have loved to see Marner on the Habs second line, although that will likely never happen lol.

You will have 90million in cap in the 2025-2026 season. Who else do you want to spend that money on? (Having one super talented player take up 14% of the cap is not terrible)
And surrounding the playoffs, you know that this is purely mental. Marner on a line with Kadri, not playing in his hometown, playing with flow, is something I would not want to face. Scary thought! I am glad y'all are in the western conference.
Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 5:37 a.m.
Thread: Reunite Marner and Kadri
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hammerwise</b></div><div>I dont think 11mil expiring UFA, coming off his worst year and even worse showing in playoffs carries that value.

And same for Liljegren who enters his 7th pro season as still just a 3rd pairing guy, on a team so depserate for defenders that annually they go out at the trade deadline and acquire two defensive starters, and then is a healthy scratch in playoffs two years running? (and you've given him 4.8mil?)

Marner for Markstrom and Mangiapane (50%) retained is probably closer</div></div>

If 69 games and 85 points is Marner's worst season, then I am scared to see when he is on fire, with the flames, pun intended.
Marner needs to play away from home, needs a mental reset, and a fresh start.

Liljegren, is a good player, but the Maple Leafs keep switching his D-pair around, like a merry-go-round, moving him up and down the lineup. How is this man suppose to settle in with so much instability? (And he does not fit as well into Toronto's d-scheme, compared to what management think they want, eg. very physical.) Over the last three seasons Liljegren has played 183 games, playing less due to being a healthy scratch. During those 183 games he has 64 points, a 0.35ppg average for a defensemen. Much better than Rasmus Sandin (an LD), who fetched a first, and afterwards signed for 5 years at 4.6m.
Which RD comes into the league and has played 7 pro seasons by the time he is 25? No one. Most defenseman start in the NHL after playing 2-3 years in the minors or overseas. Liljegren has 3 "full" (60 game) seasons under his belt. Give him a break, and blame the coaching staff for this mess. Expecting players to succeed with so little patience, is a hallmark for continuous first round exits.

If the Leafs lose later today, the first thing they need to do is fire Sheldon Keefe, (and break up the core four). I believe Marner is the odd man out.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 24 at 11:49 a.m.
Thread: If the Ducks Move On from Zegras
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GiggywithGibby</b></div><div>In what world is McTavish + 3OA equivalent to Reinbacher + ~40 OA? Or are you imagining that Caufield is somehow significantly higher value than Zegras despite Z having a better Pts/game average across his entire career?</div></div>

According to this year's statistics 100%. (Over the first 200 games, Imo Caufield is worth more as a goal scorer, to each their own)

We both know McTavish and 3OA is outlandish, but that is sorta how the Slavkovsky one made me feel. (I misspoke regarding Reinbacher, but still he can't be moved) I understand the one for one was before Slaf broke out. It was meant to be an extreme, albeit too extreme.

Just to understand how you value Zegras:

Is Casey Mittelstadt + Colorado 2nd 2026 enough for Zegras.

Or let me ask you this:

What is Zegras worth in this years draft OA?
And what is Caufield worth in this years draft OA?
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 24 at 11:32 a.m.
Thread: Zegras Since the Rumors Be Rolling Neither Side Should Do This
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>Yeah, I understand trying to make him look good in the hopes that someone bites, but claiming that he's going to continue a goal pace he's had trouble reaching until he's 33 when you can clearly see he's regressed that last few years and almost certainly will continue to regress due to age, is wishful thinking. 25 points is about the max you can hope for.

The Jets 3rd line is their checking line and has been excellent this year, so I wouldn't mess with it to force in a player that isn't a clear upgrade on anyone on that 3rd line. He isn't a top sixer, so the 4th line is the only place for him and there are more economical options for that.

Anyways, we're off topic here, so we should probably get back to the actual ACGM, than worry too much about Anderson.</div></div>

On a loaded Winnipeg Jets team, this year, yes. But on most teams, he is a third line player, if this season was a fluke. Which I believe it was, and one can say it's regression... (A third line winger, for 2.75m over three years is not a dump, is all I am trying to say)
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 24 at 11:14 a.m.
Thread: If the Ducks Move On from Zegras
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GiggywithGibby</b></div><div>We don't want a bunch of late firsts, the pieces you get with those picks (middle/bottom 6) Anaheim is already well stocked with. A quantity return only works for a team like Boston or Pittsburgh who's prospect pipeline is empty.

The reason Caufield is being brought up is to point out if you were offered 4 bottom 6 pieces for Caufield, you would baulk at the offer too.

As to what we would take for Zegras, this has been discussed as nauseum. Select one of the trades below.

MTLs 24 1st + Beck + Kovacevic
Reinbacher + MTLs 25 2nd
Slavkovsky

Those are the trade options that would have any interest or likelihood of success. Offering "four firsts" and assuming that means there is value is just pissing on us and trying to tell us it is raining.</div></div>

Do you think Slafkovsky for Zegras (one for one is equal?)

The Slafkovsky offer sound like this:
Ducks get Cole Caufield, in exchange for, Mason McTavish &amp; Anaheims's 1st in 2024
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 24 at 10:54 a.m.
Thread: Zegras Since the Rumors Be Rolling Neither Side Should Do This
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>He's not a heavy hitter though from what I've seen and from what most Montreal fans say. He doesn't really use his size much at all.

I'd say no to Anderson at any retention level, you can find 4th liners that provide what he does at close to league minimum and we know he's not going to average 17 goals/season over the next 3 years. Considering he's only done that twice in his career and will be 30 next season.</div></div>

You really seem to be betting against him. Which is fine, but he is a very serviceable 3rd liner.

But if you need on-ice evidence, here it is, since he entered the league and played his first full season:

2016-2017: 17 goals
2017-2018: 19 goals
2018-2019: 27 goals
2019-2020: 1 goal (Serious Injury)
2020-2021: 17 goals (Shortened Season, 56 games))
2021-2022: 19 goals
2022-2023: 21 goals
2023-2024: 9 goals

Out of 8 'full' seasons he has played, he has scored more than 17 goals in 6 of those seasons. (one of those seasons he only played 26 games)
6/7 = above an 85% he scored 17 goals in that season.
To say you know, he won't average 17 goals over the next three seasons, is quite a claim.
(On a side note: I am rooting for the Jets this play-off. I think Josh Anderson on the third line, if he uses his size, which he can, would be a big addition to get the Jets to win the cup.)