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Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 2, 2021 at 11:06 a.m.
Thread: Jeidhd
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>buffbry</b></div><div>He would just want more in a flat cap world where teams are up against the cap and would take advantage of it. Also with expansion draft</div></div>

Yeah, because that's how trades work... Just because you want more, doesn't mean you'll get more. You take what you can get, and in this case, this would be a great trade for Detroit, taking on just two years of Gardiner. We could then flip him (50% retained) at the '23 trade deadline for that extra 2nd that you so badly want...

Pre-Covid, Gardiner isn't even a cap dump, but "in a flat cap world where teams are up against the cap", a 2nd round pick and a high end prospect is an absolute steal to take on two years of a capable defenseman like Gardiner. But no, we don't want your free assets, because "Gardiner doesn't fit the timeline"... :s
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 1, 2021 at 6:54 a.m.
Thread: Jeidhd
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>buffbry</b></div><div>Staal didn't fit their time line and got 1 2nd for his contract. Gardner has 2 so you double it for 2 years. The prospect is for taking on multiple years as well. Gardner is a defensive liability and his offense isn't even that good, he's a plug for 2 years when we could start playing our kids. I'm fine with saying no to Carolina and letting them Keep him if they don't want to meet the price. If we don't get it bye. Flat cap for 5 years, Carolina needs the money elsewhere, they are going for it now and those picks mean squat to them. Lowest I'd go is 2+3+bokk but that's it</div></div>

Gardiner is a better player, and costs less. You don't get significantly more of a return for that. Plain and simple. You're also undervaluing Bokk in this trade, who is a very good prospect. You may want those three pieces, but zero chance you get them. The proposed trade by the OP is much more fair for both sides.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 31, 2021 at 1:31 p.m.
Thread: Jeidhd
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>buffbry</b></div><div>No they don't, Gardner doesn't for their rebuild timeline. Look at every deal Yzerman has done. Gardner is a cap dump for them, any player they get is probably going to be an upgrade. They still say no, this isn't yzermans philosophy at all. It's a big cap dump and they said no to deals when it doesn't work for them, just cause you think it works and helps Carolina cool, but for wings and yzerman for a 2nd and bokk pass</div></div>

Staal fit the Red Wings timeline, but Gardiner doesn't? LOL. Yzerman made the Staal trade last offseasoni, and it was a damn good one. Staal is 4 years older than Gardiner, $1.65M more (one less year), and a worse player at this stage in his career. Staal garnered a 2nd round pick. But You think Gardiner should garner TWO 2nd round picks AND a quality prospect? Not going to happen. By the way, I'm a Wings fan, not a Canes fan...
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 8, 2020 at 9:33 a.m.
Thread: Post 2021 Trade Deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jobarbeau</b></div><div>You will not get Stutzle at 4th.
Other than that, the WIngs should really use that cap space and take on bad contracts for good returns as you did here.
Give Stevie Y a couple of years and this team will be back on track.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mitch1_6</b></div><div>Will stutzle really be available at 4???</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>chloewoj</b></div><div>no lol</div></div>

Every year a player unexpectedly drops in the draft. No one expected Zadina to drop out of the top three two years ago. He dropped all the way to six. Stutzle likely goes top three, but it's definitely not impossible for a scenario to unfold where Drysdale goes top three.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 5, 2019 at 9:34 a.m.
Thread: YzerPlan
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DiehardRedWingsFan58</b></div><div>Not long term no, Sergachev might get a similar deal the Werenski signed like 3 x 5. And i'm not saying Yzerman will offer AA big money but some crazy GM like Holland might. AA is probably dealt at the TDL or draft with a reasonable extension in place.</div></div>

Yup, that's exactly the ballpark Sergachev will be looking at. I was between $4.5 - 5M. Athanasiou shouldn't, and likely won't get any more than that. Tampa Bay may not have any interest in a Serg for AA deal, but it won't be because they can't afford him. I may be a tad low on the package going the other way, but change Lindstrom to McIsaac, and/or the 3rd to a 2nd, and that's a very enticing package for BriseBois. That may be a bit too high of a price to pay for Sergachev though.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 14, 2019 at 9:43 a.m.
Thread: Red Wings 2019 Trade Deadline Draft
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TMarch</b></div><div>What happens if you trade Fabbro for Nyquist and Fabbro decides to sign with someone else? He's in college, you only get an exclusive right to negotiate for a period of time, then he comes a UFA basically (with restrictions on contract size and length).</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Larkinisking</b></div><div>Dante Fabbro wont sign with Nashville, Zero chance he signs with Detroit. He'll play out his last two years of college. And become a UFA and sign with a team of his choice. And that wont be Detroit.</div></div>

NSH can sign Fabbro to an ELC before the TD and trade him to DET. We would then own his rights until he becomes a UFA. Why wouldn't he sign in DET? We will be an up and coming team with plenty of opportunity on the blue line.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 26, 2017 at 8:25 a.m.
Thread: DRW18
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dtd_tank</b></div><div>Some thoughts...

NSH trade: I'd probably barter for Nielsen (ret. $) + 4th for Fabbro + 3rd

TOR trade: Probably only going to get the 1st unless the 4th is conditional (they make it to SC Finals).

MTL trade: I could dig this. They might want more than the 6th, maybe a 3rd.

WPG trade: Not sure how I feel about this one. I'd like to keep Hronek around.

ANA trade: My favorite by far.

ARI trade: Trade is OK, but I'm not sure I like the Howard/Coreau tandem. I'd go to the FA market to get a 1B goalie.

FA &amp; Draft:
1. If we're selling hard like this, Abby's got to go for any price.
2. If we get a top 2 pick (assuming we do since you drafted Andrei), I'd do anything I could to trade up for Dahlin.
3. If you can assume that we could land a top 2 pick, why not assume we can pick up Tavares or Carlson as a UFA also? (You just drafted the top D-man in recent history, have a perfect supporting cast, and could be offered to wear the C instantly. There's actually a chance Tavares comes here.)


So with my overly optimistic changes, you'll have something like:

Svechnikov - Tavares - Tatar
Zetterberg - Larkin - Mantha
Rasmussen - Athanasiou - Frk
Bertuzzi - Helm - McCarron
LGD

DDK - Montour
Dahlin - Daley
Hicketts - Jensen</div></div>

I know defense is a major need right now, but I feel like I've upgraded that in a big way with these moves. I'd love to have Dahlin, but having the Svech-bro's together would be great too. Having a future top 6 of DeKeyser - Trouba, Cholowski - Montour, Hicketts - Fabbro looks great to me. Regarding the Winnipeg trade, do you think Hronek will develop beyond what Trouba is / will be? I don't. That's why I'd make the trade. I don't see Abby going anywhere with the 'A', and although overpaid, I'm okay with him in the bottom 6. Tavares would be a great add. I'd love to see it.