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Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsSep. 12 at 1:45 p.m.
Thread: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion - The Treleafs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Random2152</b></div><div>Some of you probably already read this stuff, but I wanted to highlight <a href="https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/rethinking-timothy-liljegren/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">this </a> article.

I think its ideas around defensive classification are interesting enough that I might start using it.

TL;DR
D should be classified as:

Top-2
Bottom-4
And I'll add in another called 6-7 for the spare types that get 30 ish games a year

Also if you want to be sad at 9 in the morning, I'd suggest reading this <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/leafs/comments/16gdber/translated_narrative_from_rodion_amirovs_father/?share_id=6qFocl0gP0ThYUHH80G86&amp;utm_content=1&amp;utm_medium=ios_app&amp;utm_name=ioscss&amp;utm_source=share&amp;utm_term=1" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">reddit post</a> from Amirov's father</div></div>

This was a very tough read. I had to stop several times, took a while to get through it. Thank you for posting it.
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsAug. 30 at 6:05 p.m.
Thread: Toronto Maple Leafs 2023 2024 Offseason Discussion - Draft Day And Free Agency
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>

Also it had to be done you cant go into that lockerroom with a coach not signed to a contract beyone this year players would go why should I listen to you, you dont got a contract next year and then chaos. There also needs to be someone better out there but rn there is nobody except for one but he aint gonna be an NHL coach again.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Juice</b></div><div>I'm not going to read too much into the Keefe re-upping.

2yrs basically prevents him from being dead-man walking. Takes away a built-in excuse for the players if it's a slow start.

But 2yrs isn't a huge vote of confidence and can't imagine MLSE would hesitate to fire him if a better candidate (ahem, Quenville) suddenly becomes available and the record isn't where they want it.

On coach Q...I also doubt the league would green-light his return unless it's to a smaller market, maybe.</div></div>

Honestly, Keefe getting an extension really doesn't matter because...well let's go through the mental exercise here...what if this team fails in the playoffs again? Maybe certain coaching decisions are called into question, or perhaps it's just flat out not good enough.

You could say that maybe bigger questions will need to be pondered and Keefe being the coach or not won't matter.
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsAug. 30 at 1:56 p.m.
Thread: Toronto Maple Leafs 2023 2024 Offseason Discussion - Draft Day And Free Agency
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Here's the thing size does not mean anything when it comes to that. Its attitude and playing to your strengths

A big Dman wont change a thing he needs to have the attitude to step in

Sandin chose to be physical to make up for his smaller size. Did a good job of it

But in the end size means nothing. Its how you play

Many big Dman in the NHL are bad they provide nothing to there teams Holl, Hakinpaa, etc. All just used for their size but do nothing else. Would rather have a smaller better Dman than those two.


Also if we look at our Dcore

Brodie 6'2
Liligren 6'1
Giordano 6'0
Rielly 6'1
Timmins 6'2
McCabe 6'1
Klingberg 6'3

Whose undersized? Nobody is under 6'0 here

In the end after some of the additions Tree made I think teams will be wary of touching our players lul as you got Domi and Bertuzzi who are pests and if they tick you off they dont got to fight you Reaves can handle that.</div></div>

6'0 is the bare minimum but hey you brought up an excellent point about attitude. Big guys with attitude, gimme some of that!
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsAug. 30 at 1:46 a.m.
Thread: Toronto Maple Leafs 2023 2024 Offseason Discussion - Draft Day And Free Agency
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>I kind of want them to move Jarnkrok to make room for Bear

And then if u really want someone just bring in Bailey on a league min deal.

As he has a history with JT and he should come cheaper add to the fact it allows us to add Bear to play with Rielly that could be perfect.

I feel whats best for JP is to go to Europe as man the kid had potential just never came to be</div></div>

I don't know about moving Jarnkrok but Bailey doesn't have speed and I feel this team has gotten much slower the past few years.

Also Bear is sort of undersized. I want someone with size, who can be physical, not necessarily fight but hold his ground and be able to lean on opposing forwards especially in playoffs situations because I believe in the idea of wearing down players over the course of a series.
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsAug. 25 at 12:14 p.m.
Thread: Toronto Maple Leafs 2023 2024 Offseason Discussion - Draft Day And Free Agency
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Juice</b></div><div>
I think the average percentage of players picked in the 2nd round to even play in the NHL is something like 35%, and it drops 5-10% each later round.

That's why for me, personally...I'm always on board to trade away 2nd and later picks for proven NHL'ers to fill out a roster. Over a 3-4 year period if we can get a couple of those later picks to be able to crack the roster on entry level deals, I think that's about the most you can realistically expect.</div></div>

I understand your point and to MatthewsFan saying there was enough draft picks in those years...since the later picks have not had a competitive impact on the roster maybe having more 1st round picks would have been a better strategy.

Looking at teams rebuilding now, they just loading up on 1st's and even if they don't use them, it's still draft capital that can be traded away to improve the roster later.
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsAug. 24 at 1:12 p.m.
Thread: Toronto Maple Leafs 2023 2024 Offseason Discussion - Draft Day And Free Agency
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MatthewsFan</b></div><div>The Marleau deal was Lou’s terrible decision, which I agree was crippling if you believe in the Marleau “put yourself first” over the team mentality which I do.

I’m probably alone here but I personally would have liked to see a world where there was no John Tavares signing at all of Nylander, Marner, Matthews signed 8 year deals off their ELC and just continued to build a team around them</div></div>

I was not happy about the Tavares signing at the time but I'll go even further back and say management did not accumulate enough draft picks, especially in that god awful tank season.

I've always felt this rebuild got short circuited because even though getting all these top picks which turned into these players, there was not enough other young players coming up behind these guys to force some competitiveness from within.
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsAug. 24 at 8:29 a.m.
Thread: Toronto Maple Leafs 2023 2024 Offseason Discussion - Draft Day And Free Agency
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NorthernLeafsFan05</b></div><div>It's so strange has quickly the rhetoric surrounding long term deals has changed over the last few years. 4 years after this upcoming season is the PERFECT term IMO. I find it weird how many people are dunking on this. The only member of the core 4 I'd be interested in giving max term to is Marner.

Let's just hope the Matthews era goes better than the Kessel era</div></div>

I'm still sort of sour that he didn't sign an 8 year deal but...like you and others have pointed out, if the Leafs haven't been to the finals by then, it's the perfect time to rebuild.

I wonder what that would mean for Marner just because he's the hometown kid.
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsAug. 24 at 1:40 a.m.
Thread: Toronto Maple Leafs 2023 2024 Offseason Discussion - Draft Day And Free Agency
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MatthewsFan</b></div><div>I absolutely see no point in using him as a rental this season but IF you could get a futures package from ANA and look to flip one of those assets to help this year and beyond, that is what I’d want
in a trade.

I don’t see any 1 for 1 trades that I like. Give me futures</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Idk if Pitt called and said Guentzel I would be interested.

1 for 1

But yea I agree if we do move Willy going for futures would be nice

As I feel one of

Horvat trade
PLD trade
or Tkachuck trades are good base marks for him depending on if he is a rental or if its a sign and trade</div></div>

I'd want futures for Nylander as well but the Guentzel idea I like. Futures give Treliving the chance to reset how the cap space allocated on the roster which looks very appealing.

Adding Guentzel is intriguing because essentially you replace Nylander with similar goal production at around the same cap hit.
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsAug. 17 at 1:10 p.m.
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsAug. 17 at 1:55 a.m.
Thread: Toronto Maple Leafs 2023 2024 Offseason Discussion - Draft Day And Free Agency
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Random2152</b></div><div>Matthews is better than MacKinnon (on average). I have no issues with him being paid more. He will still be below McDavids % (which might actually end up pushing his number closer to 14). Regardless it's fine</div></div>

Matthews is better than MacKinnon, sure I can find common ground with you on that but...is he light years better than MacKinnon?

Funny enough I'm about to make my point here now that I made a few days ago with my friends and heard the exact same point being made on the Overdrive show in Toronto on Wednesday evening about how guys like McDavid and MacKinnon sign these 8 year deals, but here in Toronto the narrative becomes "okay, I'll sign whatever 3-4-5 year deal but that's all I'm willing to do"

Why is it that other top players sign deals that favour their team but here in Toronto it's different because what? I don't get it.

Yeah the 12.7 (12.whatever number) is a bit of a dreamland number but signing Matthews to something in the 13 million range is reasonable. My gripe comes in at the term. I'm not sure why more us are not puzzled that our guys won't/can't commit to an 8 year deal but we see top guys on other teams doing this enough.
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsAug. 16 at 10:03 a.m.
Thread: Toronto Maple Leafs 2023 2024 Offseason Discussion - Draft Day And Free Agency
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Random2152</b></div><div>Is gonna be about 5@13.5

Feel free to make that fit whatever your preconceived notions are. Everyone else will</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Juice</b></div><div>This number has made sense to me, too. Given 13.9m per would be the same percentage of the cap that McDavid gets...anything over $14m cap hit is bad business.

Understanding that the cap is expected to go up again for next year...but nobody can argue that $13.5 isn't "respectful" given MacKinnon just reupped for $12.6 after leading colorado to the cup</div></div>

Okay so... I would have brought up MacKinnon's contract but one of you did so cool. How much more did MacKinnon get over McDavid?

🤷 Was MacKinnon getting what he got respectful vs what Matthews will eventually get?

I'm all for players getting all that they can... but the ultimate respect is when players have already had a big contract and for the next one focus on what can be done to have a stronger roster to try and win.


Even if Matthews and Marner left 2-3 million on the table, does anyone here believe they won't make more than that in just endorsements/sponsorships?

I guess we'll see.