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Toronto Maple Leafs
Yesterday at 12:33 a.m.
Thread:
50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>fangm</b></div><div>If you fired him today then Guy Boucher as an interim till the summer.
You can throw any stats you want to justify his decisions but you cannot deny he has been out coached in every single playoff series he's been in. The fact that the "issues" we bring up are always special teams, defensive structure, transition these are systems that are implemented by the coach. Florida and Boston have significantly worse rosters on paper but they have systems that work. Toronto doesn't and never has under Keefe.</div></div>
Well put.
Adding the no adjustments to your list is just another reason why he isn't the coach that will inspire this team to do the things needed to win, especially in the playoffs.
Edit: I'll even add consistency in effort to the list. They have streches where it looks like they can beat anyone and then have streches where they can't beat anyone.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Sun. at 2:11 a.m.
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50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>One thing that's really getting on my nerves
Nylander is 0-7 in shootouts this season and yet KEEFE KEEPS ****ING STARTING HIM
Can we not. Like try someone else and still use Willy but at the 3 spot or something</div></div>
One of the many gripes about Keefe. Remember adjustments? Yeah, not there. If you can't make adjustments in the regular season, what makes anyone believe they will come in the playoffs?
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Thu. at 1:36 a.m.
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50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Juice</b></div><div>I don’t think the strategy is to simply move back to acquire more picks.
You make your draft board. If the guy you like best is likely available 10+ picks later…you move back and try and pick up extra picks.
It’s more about being able to select the guys you like vs just being able to select more guys.
Of course you weigh how much more you like different guys in different spots and if you’re comfortable moving back and going with option 2 later…but there’s a more precise strategy about who you want to select where vs simply just getting more picks and figuring out the rest later</div></div>
Since this draft isn't as deep, is trading one or more picks from this draft to acquire 2025 picks realistic?
Curious on where people stand on this draft vs 2025.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Mar. 11 at 6:14 p.m.
Thread:
50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Random2152</b></div><div>The RD you wanted often wasnt available or costs an insane amount.
Dubas did a lot of good work on the back end, both in development (holl in particular) and also trading like Muzzin, who'd be our best D today if the NHL actually cared about not needlessly hurting players</div></div>
Ahhhh...Justin Holl...the apple of our eyes...without being disrespectful to the player or anyone else, he should have been a reason not to explore opportunities to add a top level RD.
I'm not even going to talk about Muzzin as an RD because while he was adequate when used there, he was clearly better on LD.
I don't once remember Dubas exploring any RD options beyond 3rd pair. If you don't explore the option, you don't know what could be possible.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Mar. 11 at 8:10 a.m.
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50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>In general nobody could have predicted a Brodie fall off that bad, Liligren continuing to be inconsistent, Klingberg getting hurt, etc
McCabe has been the best surprise on his offside
If they can get Liligren to how he was a month ago they set. But for some reason he randomly gets in a rut and it makes 0 sense. But he always manages to rebound and I believe
Edmundson-Liligren will be fine</div></div>
But regardless of Brodie falling off or not, the glaring need for a top RD was an issue for 6 damn years. Imagine what Rielly could have done with one on this roster either as his partner or on another pair.
I don't understand how people don't see RD as an issue, especially now nevermind wasting 6 years not addressing it.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Mar. 11 at 1:51 a.m.
Thread:
50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>fangm</b></div><div>The fact that we are having this debate post deadline about sitting our #1 RHD means Tre failed.
If he has one job since he was hired 10 months ago it was to find a RHD, now we are talking about starting the playoffs with Boosh are our only RHD.
I see why you like him so much...</div></div>
Well...Treliving isn't the only guilty one as far as RD goes. Dubas was here for 6 years and how much did he improve RD?
I'm not defending Treliving, just more thinking that Shanahan was here while Dubas was GM and is still here and the same problems exist as they did for 6 years. 🤷♂️
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Mar. 7 at 9:47 p.m.
Thread:
50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>No but they played some other strong teams
STL x 2 , VGK, AVS, PHI those aint no pushovers.
I argue this time they did start it was more so wtf u doing McCabe there. I get its BOS but still. Refs messing up the penalty didnt help but still
Afterwards before end of 2nd I thought it was better well besides the Willy and Marner plays and Woll not stopping a beachball
Tonight I will say its the second half of a b2b, illness is through the locker room but the Leafs tonight did not do themselves any favors.</div></div>
Fair points, all of them. I will just say that the Leafs will not be playing any of those teams in the 1st round. It's going to be one of Boston, Florida or Tampa and it's going to be a rough series for this team.
They just really haven't done well against these teams.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Mar. 7 at 9:21 p.m.
Thread:
50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>fangm</b></div><div>The problem is what I think Dubas figured out which is that you can surround your stars with as much toughness as you want but if the core is weak you won't win.
The Core 4 will each play 20mins+ a night maybe even 25+ for Matthews/Marner/Nylander in the playoffs. Those minutes will be physically dominated by Boston.
Even if every other player was super tough you are still using your skills vs strength losing strategy for at least 40% of each game.</div></div>
This and starting on time.
Remember when they were on that 7 game winning streak? They didn't play Boston or Florida during that streak.
I get it..they beat Colorado and Vegas but guess what? If you can't beat the big boys in your own division, the rest doesn't matter. Tonight they have mostly been around the perimeter and not really getting to the net.
Still a flawed roster even with the trades so far and a coach who can't get this team to play with consistency.
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Mar. 1 at 6:35 p.m.
Thread:
50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NorthernLeafsFan05</b></div><div>To add to this, Roy + Kaliyev and then a Duclair trade would set this roster up very nicely. Roy would be 50% retained by a third team to make the cap work, and the trade packages would largely consist of picks + non-roster players (like Abruzzese, Timmins, maybe but hopefully not Steeves, etc.) with the exception of Robertson
Bertuzzi - Matthews - Nylander
Duclair - Tavares - Marner
Knies - Domi - Kaliyev
Holmberg - Kampf - Jarnkrok
Rielly - Roy
McCabe - Liljegren
Benoit - Brodie
Woll
Samsonov
That is a roster with ample secondary scoring and a pretty stout defensive group. Duclair and Marner would be a dangerous duo</div></div>
I really like this idea, just don't know how realistic it is. It's actually a very well thought out idea.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Mar. 1 at 6:02 p.m.
Thread:
50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>Underrated thing about last night: I know giving up a shorty to Kerfoot isn't ideal, but didn't you see Nylander's hustle back? (This is coming from a guy who thought Nylander's contract was an overpay)
Pre Ottawa game, he wouldn't have thought twice about back checking, I think this is part of the reason why they are succeeding, they are starting to buy in</div></div>
It should be worrying that the team is starting to buy in over the last 6-7 games.
The buy in should have happened at the start of the season because you know the saying "you are what your habits say you are".
Had this happened at the beginning of the season, it would be second nature by now but here we are.
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Feb. 29 at 1:32 a.m.
Thread:
50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Just spitballing imagine a 2 step plan to improve the blue line like this
1. Trade for Rasmus Andersson or Adam Larsson (in this case would need it to be Andersson and you will see why).
Rielly-Liligren (fill in temporary could probs get the job done)
Brodie-Andersson
Benoit-McCabe
Then in the summer and this is where step II comes in go get either Roy or Demelo this FA.
Rielly-Demelo/Roy
McCabe-Andersson
Benoit-Liligren
Thats a pretty nice Dcore right there
You make a trade now for someone with term but then in the summer go get the other piece needed to make something even better.</div></div>
Yeah this is ideally what I'd like for to happen. I think this team needs at least one top quality RD and another RD who maybe is a notch below that top RD.
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Feb. 28 at 1:43 a.m.
Thread:
50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NorthernLeafsFan05</b></div><div>Let's say you're Brad Treliving and this offseason you receive a tip that the Canucks are trying to accommodate a trade for Elias Pettersson, who has expressed a lack of desire to remain in Vancouver. You see that Tavares is expiring soon and is only getting older, meaning this team will have a very large hole at 2C. If you were trying to swing a deal for Petey and trying to outcompete just about 31 other teams with interest, what kind of package would you put forward to acquire the superstar center?
I'd have to think the whole thing starts with Knies, Minten, as well as an NHL caliber player (Jarnkrok? We all know Allvin has an affinity for Swedish players). Obviously you'd have to add significantly more to this package as well. Personally, Im not trading Marner for Petey, Marner is the better player and should be untouchable. What else can we even muster up to stand a chance at landing Pettersson? How are we able to construct a roster around the first year of this hypothetical Pettersson contract (~12m)? I'd love to imagine a universe where Pettersson is a Leaf, but I just can't see it happening. Maybe you guys see it differently though, in which case I'd be curious to see the kind of trade you would table to land him.
Here's a roster I managed to put together with Niemela, Knies, Minten, and Jarnkrok going back the other way. Obviously that is a little less than what the Canucks would be getting back (additional draft capital among other things), but I just can't think of a legitimate offer that would work. I'd like to use Eichel as the comp. in this scenario, but Tkachuk is the better blueprint in which case we really don't have what it takes.
<img class="for_img" src="https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1042856800346701960/1212263394246393856/Screenshot_2024-02-28_000121.png?ex=65f13343&is=65debe43&hm=7afc9a66bac770841f3100e1c1e4904d98aceabcdd112ff19db47bbe638ac1a0&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1130&height=807" alt="Screenshot_2024-02-28_000121.png?ex=65f13343&is=65debe43&hm=7afc9a66bac770841f3100e1c1e4904d98aceabcdd112ff19db47bbe638ac1a0&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1130&height=807"></div></div>
I'd first like to ask you about how you feel about this team's depth over the past 6 years.
The truth is...a move like this one will definitely cause more problems in terms of lack of depth, especially if you're in the camp of keeping Nylander and Marner while adding Petterson.
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Feb. 28 at 1:33 a.m.
Thread:
50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>fangm</b></div><div>
2. What is the plan on D? I know there has been lots of debate here about who to pickup. Personally I think that Carrier is going to be the biggest steal of the deadline. He put up 30 points and was elite in his rookie season playing with Ekholm, since then his offence is gone but he's among the league leaders in hits and plays a really solid defensive game. He's small which is the biggest knock but his and Rielly's analytics profiles look like together they would be an elite #1 pair. I think the worst move we can make is Rasmus Andersson, he's essentially a bigger, bad version of Rielly. He is top 5 among defenseman for D zone turnovers and has less hits than Carrier despite Carrier being 5'11.
I see two paths on D; (i) We leave Brodie-Lili, Benoit-McCabe and focus on finding a partner for Rielly. (ii) Tre tries to significantly redo the D by finding a partner for Rielly AND upgrading either Brodie or Lili.
Thoughts?</div></div>
I remember people saying too much is being made of RD vs LD (I remember <a href="/users/palhal" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@palhal</a> definitely being one person) and well...tonight kind of showed what happens when you play guys out of their natural side.
Before the last 6-7 game stretch, Brodie looked horrible out there but during this stretch of 6-7 games he's been solid...so what changed? He was playing on naturally stronger side.
I don't know about the TDL but RD definitely needs to be addressed in the off season whether it's a trade or signing Matt Roy or someone who can bring stability to that side of D.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Feb. 27 at 1:36 a.m.
Thread:
50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Speaking of Matthews. Did anyone notice in the game in Arizona, the camera angles. Was it just me, but the by the positioning of the camera (probably closer to the ice), the ice surface looked wider than it does in other televised games. Really looked they were playing on European ice.</div></div>
The cameras in that arena are closer to ice level than all the other arenas in the league. Of course it's also a minor league arena so that has everything to do with it.
Was listening to the Overdrive show and they were talking about if/when Matthews is headed to the Hall of Fame, footage from that game would probably be part of his highlight package and how it would be sad seeing that a memorable moment for Matthews happened in a minor league arena with around 4K fans only.
During the second intermission ofthe game, Justin Bourne joked about this game being a private ceremony for Matthews. LoL
This is so embarrassing for the NHL.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Feb. 23 at 11:34 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 4 - Mid Season Slump
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Juice</b></div><div>Lose 4 in a row and we all want the coach fired and to sell at the deadline
6 game winning streak and nobody is mentioning keefe and everyone is ready to buy
what a magical thing it is to be a fan</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Keefe along with the team seem to have woke up after what Rielly did. He finally made some adjustments and they worked. As man it was looking ugly for a while and some of those losses u could kind of point to him for not adjusting or calming his team
Like the one sour game hes got out of the 6 is PHI where they blew a 3-1 lead
But the ARI game was good for him as notice when ARI was getting a bit to strong momentum wise he called a time out to settle things down and it kind of worked. Then whatever he said in the intermission also worked
Then against VGK almost the same but no need for a timeout. Team responded well
Now keep going</div></div>
A 6 game winning streak hasn't really convinced me this team can figure it out in the playoffs.
If this current effort was consistent through most of the season, I'd be more optimistic about the playoffs but this team can lose 4 straight and we'll have some of the same complaints we've had all season.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Feb. 16 at 1:28 a.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 4 - Mid Season Slump
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Juice</b></div><div>Would you guys do Lilly for Tanev 1 for 1?
Would Calgary?
I've been a Liljegren supporter since he's been drafted but I'm just not seeing him take that step. For me, it would depend on how extension talks have gone...but he's not someone that has earned $3m+ to me...maybe worth the risk if that's a long term deal...but I've just been seeing a lot of mental errors recently.
From calgary's end...they obviously get a younger guy that can step right into the lineup with control vs a typical draft pick.
TIme to cut bait or hold the line?</div></div>
Totally understand why you're asking this question and we'll.. it's a difficult one for sure. The biggest problem is Tanev's age and yeah, probably won't get more than 2 good years out of trading for him and signing him to probably a 3-4 year deal.
I was really hoping Lillijegren would figure it out and become at least a rock solid second pair D but right now he's only a steady third pair.
I suppose the real question is what to do when Tanev does start declining because this team as is may still be trying to win.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Feb. 14 at 6:23 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 4 - Mid Season Slump
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Idk I think Domi has been fine at C. The moment he really showed his stuff was the Pitt game when he and Marner were fire</div></div>
You can't just point to 5-10 games in the regular season where he actually looked decent and come to the conclusion Domi is a good C. The larger sample size suggests he isn't really the answer at C.
Wanna play him at C in a pinch? Sure I can live with that.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Feb. 13 at 8:21 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 4 - Mid Season Slump
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Another reason why I think Domi is more needed is he plays centre. Leafs have no NHL depth after their top five. I haven't been impressed with Bertuzzi at all this year.</div></div>
He plays C but not well enough. Might have to look at other players for the C position.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Feb. 13 at 8:19 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 4 - Mid Season Slump
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>In general Keefe's been HC since 2019 and has won 1 playoff series
Granted it was against a team who went to SCF 3 times in a row but thats not an impressive resume. And sure people will say what about reg season. Dean Evarson also had an impressive reg season record with wild and where he now...Fired
Keefe was gifted a team with 4 stars and was able to work with it. New GM comes adds 3-4 guys who arent fitting with his Keefe's system and now hes struggling?
Like if adding Bertuzzi, Domi, Gregor is causing this much confusion for the HC he should not be in the position. Good HC make adjustments to adapt their style to fit these guys
Brad should have fired the moment Berube became available but now its to late. This summer there is a real opportunity for a coaching change with Brid'Amour and Berube probs being available go get em. As I just dont see Keefe as a Tree guy nor does his system work with the guys Tree loves. He kept him to just keep things stable until better guys became available
Like I think this OS we gonna see 3 prime candidates for HC: Berube, Brid'Amour, Sullivan as I am in serious doubt Keefe makes it to 2024-2025 and if he does even with a roster fix with 2 new 4th liners, a top 4 Dman or two I wont have much confidence as he just gonna get outcoached again when it matters</div></div>
Brind'Amour and Sullivan are the interesting names but no guarantee either will be available as of right now.
Whoever takes over at whatever point has to sell the thought of showing up more nights on time than we've seen and more importantly raising your compete level especially in the playoffs.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Feb. 13 at 8:14 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 4 - Mid Season Slump
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Yes, same with Bertuzzi and Domi
Like remember under Babcock how bad Barrie was. Then Keefe came in and immediately remedied the issue
I think those 3 would heavily benifit from a new HC.
Cause rn im scared Domi and Bertuzzi go to new teams next year utterly dominate and were just still stuck with Keefe. Cause there is a history of Keefe doing this stuff to players before they go somewhere else and thrive
Barabanov
Kubel
Vesey
Lafferty
List just goes on and it blows. And while those aint big names we soon probs gonna be adding Domi and Bertuzzi come 2024-2025</div></div>
I think Bertuzzi is going to look for a term deal that pays him something that the Leafs can't afford. Domi could be back but also could sign elsewhere. The thing with Domi tho is that he grew up in that building and so does he pass up playing here vs possibly being a better fit somewhere else.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Feb. 13 at 12:18 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 4 - Mid Season Slump
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsFanForSomeReason</b></div><div>I think he is maximizing the talents of the group. The roster just plain and simply isn't any good. I'm not saying that the roster is supposed to maximize his talents (actually yes I am, you should want a complimentary coach/roster pair, it goes both ways) but every coach/system is going to have players that aren't a great fit. Acquiring those players isn't ideal.
He hasn't figured out which line he can do that with because there isn't one that exists on this roster. The personnel isn't there.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsFanForSomeReason</b></div><div>I think he is maximizing the talents of the group. The roster just plain and simply isn't any good. I'm not saying that the roster is supposed to maximize his talents (actually yes I am, you should want a complimentary coach/roster pair, it goes both ways) but every coach/system is going to have players that aren't a great fit. Acquiring those players isn't ideal.
He hasn't figured out which line he can do that with because there isn't one that exists on this roster. The personnel isn't there.</div></div>
The roster is flawed but you know what has nothing to do with flawed rosters? One thing I point to is how often this team has failed to show up on time this season and past seasons. That is on the coach, flawed roster or otherwise.
Remember Babcock? He was fired for many reasons but among them was not being able to make in game adjustments. Keefe suffers from this same issue and it's been glaring for a few seasons now.
Any coach was going to have decent to good record with the amount of talent on this roster but a very good coach finds ways to get the team to show up consistently on time and can make in game adjustments especially in the playoffs.
One last point. Holding players accountable is not something Keefe does well at all. If you can't keep the core 5-6 guys accountable, what does it matter if you healthy scratch Kampf or Reaves or any other bottom six player?
I can't remember who here mentioned that the Leafs get every team's best effort night in and night out....well, what do you expect? Especially in the playoffs.
Nobody is laying down for you just cause you're the Toronto Maple Leafs. Gotta go out and take it.
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Feb. 13 at 2:08 a.m.
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A question for all of you.
Would you want to see Nic Robertson under a new Leafs coach before deciding to trade him?
Or have some of you made up your mind about Robertson?
I would like to see how he would do with a new coach. Leafs won't get much for Robbie right now anyway, which is why I'd just hang onto him for now.
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Feb. 13 at 1:41 a.m.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsFanForSomeReason</b></div><div>
And when you’ve got a coach who has gotten amazing seasons out of his best players and generally done a very good job since taking over, shouldn’t the more important thing be finding players that DO fit his system</div></div>
I think you have to take into account the talent on this roster and how much they were/are going achieve certain successes based purely just on talent, regardless of who the coach is.
Also...the coach is supposed to maximize the talents and effort levels of the roster, not the other way around.
I thought Keefe should have been fired more than a year ago, nothing has changed because the same problems exist that were pointed out more than a year ago. The issue with firing Keefe right now is the choices for replacement are just not as appealing as when Bruce Cassidy was available for example.
How many games into this season? Keefe hasn't figured out which line he can send out blindly and be comfortable with said line settling things down. His words, not mine.
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Feb. 10 at 1:30 a.m.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>Marner is on pace for 95 points. And people are comparing him to Samsonov. Leaf fans are a joke. Yeah Marner is frustrating in the playoffs but he's a terrific player.</div></div>
Uh....I didn't compare Marner to Samsonov, Marner did that.
You missed my point entirely. Whatever.
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Feb. 9 at 12:56 p.m.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>The funny thing is despite the fact yes his play could be better at times
Rn Marner's on pace for 35 goals and 95 points
For an offseason by his standards that ain't bad</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>A crisis of confidence is very similar. Pointing at one being put on waivers is a weird comment to make</div></div>
I understand the stats part of all this. The part people get frustrated with Marner's comments are when the team/individuals play ****ty for a period and a half or two periods and then come out guns aand after the game say "we played a good game".
If you have no problem being given your flowers when you play a good/complete game then ya gotta own it when you play ****ty.
As for the waiver comment, Samsonov was no doubt playing to stay in the NHL. Can the same be said about Marner? Absolutely not.
Bottom line is, yes players have crisis of confidence throughout their career, but...man, compare yourself to your past performances instead of others on your team because stuff like waivers, your salary, and the leadership part of being on the team can really make you look like an ass.
Lastly, of course people want to see the hometown kid win, including me despite how you may feel after this post, just be honest, if you played great, own it, if play ****ty, OWN IT.
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