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Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 10, 2020
Published: Nov. 10, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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Left Handed
Original Team
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Right Handed
Position
Trade Clause
Max Perf. Bonus
Expiry Status
Term Remaining
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Waivers ExemptMcDavid, Connor
$12,500,000 (Performance Bonus$250,000)
C
NMC
UFA - 5
Description
I saw this in TRUCULENCE67 ‘s three way goalie swap and it got me thinking.

On one hand, I love Andersen and I think him and Kuemper fairly even.

On the other hand, WE GET CAP!! and Andersen is on an expiring deal, and probably looking for a raise...
Leafs could never have enough cap space 😂
So I am on the fence.

If this trade were proposed to me irl as the Leafs gm, I think i’d be leaning towards a yes. Maybe changing the 2nd to a 3rd though.

I am curious as to know the opinions of other Leafs fans. Would you do it?
Trades
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2021
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2022
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2023
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$79,996,408$0$0$1,503,592
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
UFA - 4
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$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 5
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 3
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 5
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
UFA - 4
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$821,667$821,667
LW, RW
RFA - 4
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$700,000$700,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 1
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$1,645,000$1,645,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$900,000$900,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$700,000$700,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 1
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$700,000$700,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 4
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
NMC
UFA - 4
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
G
UFA - 2
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$1,650,000$1,650,000
G
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
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$874,125$874,125
LD/RD
UFA - 1

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Nov. 10, 2020 at 5:50 p.m.
#1
LETS go PENS
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Edited Nov. 10, 2020 at 5:58 p.m.
Kuemper > F.Andersen. The one year left and expiring contract has value and so does the 2nd round pick. But Engvall doesnt. You would have to give up assets In order for a team to take him right now. Every team has a ton of 4th line, Depth Forward options that the organization thinks highly of. And are cheaper than Engvall. He has no value at all. Remove Engvall and just bury his contract in the AHL. F.Anderssen and the 2nd round pick would be closer to D.Kuemper’s value.

I would say F.Andersen and SDA and a 2nd is probably around the value. I think that would get it done and If I was an Arizona fan I’d be happy with the 2nd round pick, The “c+”, “B-“ prospect, and the cap space next year.
Nov. 10, 2020 at 6:32 p.m.
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Good Opinion Haver
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As a third party:

Pros for Anderson - Long track record of personal success (one of the most consistently above average goalies in the league the last six years) despite playing behind one of the worst defensive teams in the league for most of his career. Makes one million real dollars, coming off unreal playoffs (again, personally)
Cons for Anderson - Tough regular season last year both health and performance wise and only has one year left

Pros for Kuemper - Has one elite full season under his belt and has been good in limited appearances since. Lower cap hit than Anderson. Signed for an extra year
Cons for Kuemper - Has really only had one good full season. Was limited to twenty nine games (very good!) games last year, and has only cracked thirty games played once in his career (either due to injury or due to not playing very well)

I think at best it's a lateral move. Arizona would probably like the low real dollars and Toronto could appreciate the lower cap hit and extra term. But I think we're all putting the cart before the horse crowning Kuemper as a reliable starting goaltender aren't we? This is a guy who has been up and down most of his career, he's been pretty up recently but also has been injured a handful of times in his career at his point, and again, only has one season anyone could appreciably consider a "starter's load" of work. Meanwhile, Toronto (and mitigating circumstances) have stacked the deck in favor of Anderson. He's had tons of rest. The defense looks not terrible this year. He has a backup who can realistically start 20-30 games. Toronto is probably the best team in an all-Canadian division.

Basically I think the pure talent and certainty is immediately going to be downgraded for Toronto and while they get the extra year of Kuemper what's the point if they also have to hemorrhage other assets? I just don't see the motivation to jettison Anderson+ just for 500k and the extra year, given it probably makes your team worse.
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Nov. 10, 2020 at 6:48 p.m.
#3
CELEBRINI IS A SHARK
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As a third party:

Pros for Anderson - Long track record of personal success (one of the most consistently above average goalies in the league the last six years) despite playing behind one of the worst defensive teams in the league for most of his career. Makes one million real dollars, coming off unreal playoffs (again, personally)
Cons for Anderson - Tough regular season last year both health and performance wise and only has one year left

Pros for Kuemper - Has one elite full season under his belt and has been good in limited appearances since. Lower cap hit than Anderson. Signed for an extra year
Cons for Kuemper - Has really only had one good full season. Was limited to twenty nine games (very good!) games last year, and has only cracked thirty games played once in his career (either due to injury or due to not playing very well)

I think at best it's a lateral move. Arizona would probably like the low real dollars and Toronto could appreciate the lower cap hit and extra term. But I think we're all putting the cart before the horse crowning Kuemper as a reliable starting goaltender aren't we? This is a guy who has been up and down most of his career, he's been pretty up recently but also has been injured a handful of times in his career at his point, and again, only has one season anyone could appreciably consider a "starter's load" of work. Meanwhile, Toronto (and mitigating circumstances) have stacked the deck in favor of Anderson. He's had tons of rest. The defense looks not terrible this year. He has a backup who can realistically start 20-30 games. Toronto is probably the best team in an all-Canadian division.

Basically I think the pure talent and certainty is immediately going to be downgraded for Toronto and while they get the extra year of Kuemper what's the point if they also have to hemorrhage other assets? I just don't see the motivation to jettison Anderson+ just for 500k and the extra year, given it probably makes your team worse.

Where’s the references for this essay. But jokes aside well pointed out and correct imo
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