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Toying around with other FWD options

Created by: Barathrum_Obama
Team: 2017-18 New York Rangers
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 25, 2017
Published: Jul. 25, 2017
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Legend
Left Handed
Original Team
Waivers Exempt
Right Handed
Position
Trade Clause
Max Perf. Bonus
Expiry Status
Term Remaining
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Waivers ExemptMcDavid, Connor
$12,500,000 (Performance Bonus$250,000)
C
NMC
UFA - 5
Description
Unlikely as COL just traded for him and VAN apparently doesn't submit to the whole rebuilding idea as evidenced by their FA picksups, but whatever. Let me know how far off the trade values are.
Trades
1.
VAN
  1. Gropp, Ryan
  2. 2018 3rd round pick (NYR)
  3. 2019 2nd round pick (NYR)
2.
NYR
  1. Wilson, Colin ($1,900,000 retained)
COL
  1. Puempel, Matt
  2. Zborovskiy, Sergey
  3. 2018 2nd round pick (NYR)
Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2018
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2019
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2020
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$75,000,000$66,270,277$0$4,100,000$8,729,723
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$4,625,000$4,625,000
LW
UFA - 3
$5,350,000$5,350,000
C
UFA - 5
$925,000$925,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 2
$3,900,000$3,900,000
LW, RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
$900,000$900,000
RW, LW, C
UFA - 1
$3,150,000$3,150,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
RW, LW
UFA - 1
$2,600,000$2,600,000
C
UFA - 1
$2,750,000$2,750,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
$2,037,500$2,037,500
C, LW
UFA - 2
$1,650,000$1,650,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$1,850,000$1,850,000
RW
UFA - 3
$1,000,000$1,000,000
C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$4,700,000$4,700,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
$6,650,000$6,650,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 4
$8,500,000$8,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 4
$925,000$925,000
LD
UFA - 1
$4,350,000$4,350,000
LD/RD, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
$1,300,000$1,300,000
G
UFA - 1
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LD
RFA - 2
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$400,000$400K)
RD
UFA - 2
$1,650,000$1,650,000
LD
UFA - 1

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Jul. 25, 2017 at 12:23 p.m.
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Neither player does anything that any number of in house or cheaper alternatives couldn't. So you're essentially giving up prospects/picks for nothing.

On a side note, can we explain the thinking on Puempel being offered in deals? I feel bad for having to say this about the guy, but he could have been had for free all over the league, he's a fringe NHL/extra forward/soon to be AHL'er until he proves otherwise. That = no value.
Jul. 25, 2017 at 12:26 p.m.
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Neither player does anything that any number of in house or cheaper alternatives couldn't. So you're essentially giving up prospects/picks for nothing.

On a side note, can we explain the thinking on Puempel being offered in deals? I feel bad for having to say this about the guy, but he could have been had for free all over the league, he's a fringe NHL/extra forward/soon to be AHL'er until he proves otherwise. That = no value.



Puempel is a throw in in every case. when NYR want to upgrade their roster, they'll also want to clear a roster spot in return. No point in having him around in Hartford or on the team. logical conclusion: throw him in in a trade.
Granlund hat 33 pts as a 23 year old on a terrible team. name a cheaper alternative. Wilson has been a solid middle 6 player for his whole career and at 2M you can't do wrong a lot.
disagree on your whole assessment, but feel free to elaborate.
Jul. 25, 2017 at 12:47 p.m.
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Neither player does anything that any number of in house or cheaper alternatives couldn't. So you're essentially giving up prospects/picks for nothing.

On a side note, can we explain the thinking on Puempel being offered in deals? I feel bad for having to say this about the guy, but he could have been had for free all over the league, he's a fringe NHL/extra forward/soon to be AHL'er until he proves otherwise. That = no value.



Puempel is a throw in in every case. when NYR want to upgrade their roster, they'll also want to clear a roster spot in return. No point in having him around in Hartford or on the team. logical conclusion: throw him in in a trade.
Granlund hat 33 pts as a 23 year old on a terrible team. name a cheaper alternative. Wilson has been a solid middle 6 player for his whole career and at 2M you can't do wrong a lot.
disagree on your whole assessment, but feel free to elaborate.


Why is there no point in having him in Hartford? The Rangers have been bending over backwards trying to stockpile Hartford with AHL'ers and College players. That has Puempel written all over it! At 750k, he makes exactly what just about every other guy at that level makes. You can argue he has slightly more value than this, but we are talking about splitting hairs here, and that certainly isn't valuable enough that someone would want to fill a roster spot of their own with him. If nothing else, since he doesn't do anything for the trade he just sticks around as the extra forward.

Wilson is a 30 point player, has been all his career, and at 28 he isn't getting any better. That is quite a step down from what we are looking for, and to me isn't anything we can't find for cheaper (or free if it comes from within). Either way, i don't see the value in trading pieces off for him.

As for Granlund, I like that he is young, but being that I am looking for someone to come close to filling Hayes' shoes, I don't see the fit. They are a year apart in age, 33 points isn't 49. Maybe he takes another step in his development and closes the gap this year, sure! I Just feel like he hasn't shown me enough to make me believe he can. He gives me the feeling he is a winger, not a center, and a middling one at that (have you seen him on draws? He makes Hayes look good!!). So we want to wait around and see if he develops? I would rather grab Spooner and bank on history instead of the future. Just my opinion, I could certainly end up dead wrong about him. There's value in trading for a guy like this, just that I feel like we need more now.

Definite points for offering up novel names that haven't been discussed.
Jul. 25, 2017 at 1:16 p.m.
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Puempel is a throw in in every case. when NYR want to upgrade their roster, they'll also want to clear a roster spot in return. No point in having him around in Hartford or on the team. logical conclusion: throw him in in a trade.
Granlund hat 33 pts as a 23 year old on a terrible team. name a cheaper alternative. Wilson has been a solid middle 6 player for his whole career and at 2M you can't do wrong a lot.
disagree on your whole assessment, but feel free to elaborate.


Why is there no point in having him in Hartford? The Rangers have been bending over backwards trying to stockpile Hartford with AHL'ers and College players. That has Puempel written all over it! At 750k, he makes exactly what just about every other guy at that level makes. You can argue he has slightly more value than this, but we are talking about splitting hairs here, and that certainly isn't valuable enough that someone would want to fill a roster spot of their own with him. If nothing else, since he doesn't do anything for the trade he just sticks around as the extra forward.

Wilson is a 30 point player, has been all his career, and at 28 he isn't getting any better. That is quite a step down from what we are looking for, and to me isn't anything we can't find for cheaper (or free if it comes from within). Either way, i don't see the value in trading pieces off for him.

As for Granlund, I like that he is young, but being that I am looking for someone to come close to filling Hayes' shoes, I don't see the fit. They are a year apart in age, 33 points isn't 49. Maybe he takes another step in his development and closes the gap this year, sure! I Just feel like he hasn't shown me enough to make me believe he can. He gives me the feeling he is a winger, not a center, and a middling one at that (have you seen him on draws? He makes Hayes look good!!). So we want to wait around and see if he develops? I would rather grab Spooner and bank on history instead of the future. Just my opinion, I could certainly end up dead wrong about him. There's value in trading for a guy like this, just that I feel like we need more now.

Definite points for offering up novel names that haven't been discussed.


Puempel is waivers eligible, this may also play a role here. Colorado has no depth, so they may salvage something here.
I don't think the idea is to find an upgrade over Hayes immediately; because of the thin market, it's rather supplying the team with more depth options (Wilson) or someone with the potential (Granlund), surround them with capaple wingers and see what they can do until Chytil/Andersson fill that spot longterm. Worst case you trade them again, best case you've found your teams new depth options and neither would be catastrophic. And no, I haven't watched a lot of VAN games, but looking at their (bad) team, his statline sticks out to me.
Jul. 25, 2017 at 2:39 p.m.
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Why is there no point in having him in Hartford? The Rangers have been bending over backwards trying to stockpile Hartford with AHL'ers and College players. That has Puempel written all over it! At 750k, he makes exactly what just about every other guy at that level makes. You can argue he has slightly more value than this, but we are talking about splitting hairs here, and that certainly isn't valuable enough that someone would want to fill a roster spot of their own with him. If nothing else, since he doesn't do anything for the trade he just sticks around as the extra forward.

Wilson is a 30 point player, has been all his career, and at 28 he isn't getting any better. That is quite a step down from what we are looking for, and to me isn't anything we can't find for cheaper (or free if it comes from within). Either way, i don't see the value in trading pieces off for him.

As for Granlund, I like that he is young, but being that I am looking for someone to come close to filling Hayes' shoes, I don't see the fit. They are a year apart in age, 33 points isn't 49. Maybe he takes another step in his development and closes the gap this year, sure! I Just feel like he hasn't shown me enough to make me believe he can. He gives me the feeling he is a winger, not a center, and a middling one at that (have you seen him on draws? He makes Hayes look good!!). So we want to wait around and see if he develops? I would rather grab Spooner and bank on history instead of the future. Just my opinion, I could certainly end up dead wrong about him. There's value in trading for a guy like this, just that I feel like we need more now.

Definite points for offering up novel names that haven't been discussed.


Puempel is waivers eligible, this may also play a role here. Colorado has no depth, so they may salvage something here.
I don't think the idea is to find an upgrade over Hayes immediately; because of the thin market, it's rather supplying the team with more depth options (Wilson) or someone with the potential (Granlund), surround them with capaple wingers and see what they can do until Chytil/Andersson fill that spot longterm. Worst case you trade them again, best case you've found your teams new depth options and neither would be catastrophic. And no, I haven't watched a lot of VAN games, but looking at their (bad) team, his statline sticks out to me.


Fair enough, I am just hoping (probably against hope) to fill Hayes' 3c spot with someone who can predictably put up 40 pts or so as he did. Then at that point its on Hayes to fill Stepan's shoes.
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