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Rebuild 3: Throw a ring in a firey mountain

Created by: ricochetii
Team: 2017-18 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 3, 2018
Published: Jan. 3, 2018
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Waivers ExemptMcDavid, Connor
$12,500,000 (Performance Bonus$250,000)
C
NMC
UFA - 5
Description
Feedback appreciated. Especially the Edm and Wpg deals.
Again, trying some things I haven't necessarily seen or heard discussed. I'm always interested in what others have to say, if there is reasoning behind it, so don't be shy and please elaborate.
This gives Montreal a new skeleton to build around. There will be some growing pains next season. Find out who is suited for what, where the holes are, then work to correct and start building back up to contenders in 19/20.
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. Fayne, Mark
  2. Klefbom, Oscar
  3. Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
Additional Details:
Lateral moves. LHD for RHD and C for W. Now, I don't think the oilers want to trade Klefbom, but I've already looked at Nurse and I don't believe Sekera or Russell are prepared to waive.
EDM
  1. Gallagher, Brendan
  2. Lindgren, Charlie
  3. Petry, Jeff
Additional Details:
Montreal may need to add a bit. I consider this more as Gallagher and Lindgren for Klefbom and Petry for RNH, both of which are probably in MTL's favor, but how big the difference is, is hard to nail down. What do YOU think the add is pick wise? Or would something like a retained Plekanec (and renewed playoff hopes) perhaps work better?
2.
MTL
  1. Armia, Joel
  2. Stanley, Logan
  3. 2018 1st round pick (WPG)
Additional Details:
Both could be slow to develop but have good potential. Montreal needs the RW depth with the loss of Gallagher regardless. Winnipeg has the flexibility in their forward group to shift players to RW and C. I'm not worrying about the cap for this season, as Enstrom can compensate for that.
WPG
  1. Pacioretty, Max
Additional Details:
Not an ideal return for Pacioretty. No homerun pickup, but Winnipeg's need isn't as great when Scheiffele returns. Otherwise Roslovic or Vesalainen would be a better target.
3.
MTL
  1. Boedker, Mikkel
Additional Details:
Hoping for both players to improve with a change of teams/systems. San Jose will need to adjust their blue line to accommodate Alzner though. Perhaps moving Dillon (and/or Martin). That allows them to pick up a replacement/additional forward or pick.
SJS
  1. Alzner, Karl
Additional Details:
Alzner was a mistake. So was Boedker. Alzner may fair better in a different system, but he has obvious trouble with Julien's.
Boedker's saving grace may be his ability to keep up with Byron in foot speed.
4.
ARI
  1. De La Rose, Jacob
  2. 2018 2nd round pick (CHI)
Additional Details:
2nd and a project for a 3rd liner that may have a little more to offer
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2018
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2019
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2020
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
26$79,000,000$64,668,308$0$820,000$14,331,692
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 6
$4,900,000$4,900,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 3
$925,000$925,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
$839,166$839,166
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$6,000,000$6,000,000
LW, C
UFA - 4
$1,200,000$1,200,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$1,166,667$1,166,667
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$912,500$912,500
C
UFA - 1
$4,000,000$4,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
$650,000$650,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 2
$3,900,000$3,900,000
C, RW
UFA - 5
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$725,000$725,000
LW
UFA - 1
$650,000$650,000
C
UFA - 2
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
RW, C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$4,167,000$4,167,000
LD
UFA - 6
$7,857,143$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 9
$6,500,000$6,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 1
$748,333$748,333 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
LD/RD
UFA - 3
$1,100,000$1,100,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
$1,062,500$1,062,500
G
UFA - 2
$2,100,000$2,100,000
LD
UFA - 3
$863,333$863,333
RD
UFA - 3
$925,000$925,000
LD
UFA - 1
$650,000$650,000
RD
UFA - 1
$3,625,000$3,625,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Jan. 3, 2018 at 6:34 p.m.
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That Winnipeg trade is so bad. A late first, a 24-year-old third liner and a prospect nearing bust territory for an elite scorer. For the love of God, stay away from Logan Stanley!
Jan. 3, 2018 at 7:01 p.m.
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Zero chance that Jeff Petry accepts a trade back to Edmonton, By all accounts he was happy to be out of there.
Jan. 3, 2018 at 7:35 p.m.
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Quoting: Campa96
That Winnipeg trade is so bad. A late first, a 24-year-old third liner and a prospect nearing bust territory for an elite scorer. For the love of God, stay away from Logan Stanley!


I think Armia may be buried behind Winnipeg's top 6. If you look at Pacioretty's trajectory, it's not all that different from Armia's. They have a similar first 2 years before Pacioretty started seeing more minutes and increasing production in his 3rd season. By year 4, Pacioretty was a 1st liner and averaging over 18:00, which resulted in his first 30 goal season. Similar build, similar type of player, and similar draft position, with a (hopefully) similar timeline. Players like Armia generally take a little longer to develop. It isn't all that surprising that he hasn't established himself as a top 6 winger while playing less than 12:00 a game on the 3rd line.

Stanley would be in a similar vein. Big men take a longer time to develop. It isn't easy to bulk up a massive frame and learning to use that size to your advantage is a process. It's still too soon to project Stanley as anything other than a big man, but look at Chara. The Islanders gave up on him after 3 seasons, and we see how he turned out. Patience is key here. It's way too soon to call him a "bust". Are there other reasons for your perspective that I may not be aware of?

I'm comparing them to exceptional players in order to prove a point. It's still a bigger risk than I would prefer to take, but as I said, the return from Winnipeg would probably reflect the fact that they have less of a "need" for Pacioretty than other teams might.

Quoting: Larkinisking
Zero chance that Jeff Petry accepts a trade back to Edmonton, By all accounts he was happy to be out of there.


This is just my own loosely formed opinion, but Petry seems to be one of the most dissatisfied players on the roster. That's something you like to see, but when your team is going nowhere, those are also the first players that want out. It's not the same Edmonton he left. They are building towards something now, and he could be a contributing factor in their success. They didn't value him, so he left, it's not like the Pronger situation where there was drama, it was just business. He wanted to exercise his free agency rights, and Edmonton traded him so they didn't lose him for nothing.
Jan. 3, 2018 at 8:47 p.m.
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Quoting: ricochetii
I think Armia may be buried behind Winnipeg's top 6. If you look at Pacioretty's trajectory, it's not all that different from Armia's. They have a similar first 2 years before Pacioretty started seeing more minutes and increasing production in his 3rd season. By year 4, Pacioretty was a 1st liner and averaging over 18:00, which resulted in his first 30 goal season. Similar build, similar type of player, and similar draft position, with a (hopefully) similar timeline. Players like Armia generally take a little longer to develop. It isn't all that surprising that he hasn't established himself as a top 6 winger while playing less than 12:00 a game on the 3rd line.

Stanley would be in a similar vein. Big men take a longer time to develop. It isn't easy to bulk up a massive frame and learning to use that size to your advantage is a process. It's still too soon to project Stanley as anything other than a big man, but look at Chara. The Islanders gave up on him after 3 seasons, and we see how he turned out. Patience is key here. It's way too soon to call him a "bust". Are there other reasons for your perspective that I may not be aware of?

I'm comparing them to exceptional players in order to prove a point. It's still a bigger risk than I would prefer to take, but as I said, the return from Winnipeg would probably reflect the fact that they have less of a "need" for Pacioretty than other teams might.


Yeah, but you don't trade away an elite scorer for projects, long shots and late picks, you trade him for surefire or at least very-high-potential prospects, especially if demand is high.
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Jan. 3, 2018 at 9:18 p.m.
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Quoting: Campa96
Yeah, but you don't trade away an elite scorer for projects, long shots and late picks, you trade him for surefire or at least very-high-potential prospects, especially if demand is high.



Not much can be done with the 1st.
I wouldn't say long shots or projects for the other two. That's a little different than a player that develops a little slower, to me. I think what we're getting at is to ask for someone who will contribute at a higher level earlier in their career. That means replacing one of those players with Roslovic or Vesalainen.
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