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Can the sharks get Seguin?

Created by: slepler
Team: 2018-19 San Jose Sharks
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 8, 2018
Published: Jul. 12, 2018
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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Left Handed
Original Team
Waivers Exempt
Right Handed
Position
Trade Clause
Max Perf. Bonus
Expiry Status
Term Remaining
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Waivers ExemptMcDavid, Connor
$12,500,000 (Performance Bonus$250,000)
C
NMC
UFA - 5
Description
Seguin has not been extended yet. If Dallas sucks this year, Seguin may want to walk. In that case, Dallas will HAVE to trade him by the deadline (cannot afford a tavares-like loss).

1/2 the teams will be out of the bidding as non-PO teams. no team like to deal intra division. And no team will acquire him unless that can easily resign him long term as the price will be too large for any rental. In this world, only a handful of suitors would be left.

if Labanc and Tierney have solid years, Norris emerges as a leader at Umich, then this is a very competitive package.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$2,000,000
Trades
1.
DAL
  1. Karlsson, Melker
  2. Labanc, Kevin
  3. Tierney, Chris
  4. 2019 2nd round pick (SJS)
  5. 2020 1st round pick (SJS)
Additional Details:
Josh Norris (2017 first rounder)
2.
CAR
  1. Rod, Noah
  2. 2019 2nd round pick (FLA)
Additional Details:
Trade occurs at the deadline IF seguin comes:

Also, as these moves are at the deadline, the negative cap number is wrong. no issue with cap space at that time.
Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2019
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2020
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2021
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$79,500,000$76,210,001$0$1,882,500$3,289,999
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$7,000,000$7,000,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 7
$5,750,000$5,750,000
C, RW
NMC
UFA - 1
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$5,625,000$5,625,000
C
UFA - 4
$6,000,000$6,000,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 1
$5,000,000$5,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 1
$6,000,000$6,000,000
RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
$1,900,000$1,900,000
RW
UFA - 1
$700,000$700,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$650,000$650,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
C
UFA - 1
$759,167$759,167 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
C
UFA - 1
$4,500,000$4,500,000
RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$7,000,000$7,000,000
LD/RD
NMC
UFA - 8
$5,280,000$5,280,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 7
$5,750,000$5,750,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 6
$1,635,000$1,635,000
LD
UFA - 2
$3,800,000$3,800,000
RD
UFA - 2
$1,900,000$1,900,000
G
UFA - 2
$650,000$650,000
LD
UFA - 1
$900,000$900,000
RD
UFA - 2
$650,000$650,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Jul. 12, 2018 at 1:53 p.m.
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mothariah
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Why are trading away a second round pick and a good defensive prospect (at least at one time before he became made of glass) for a aged, slow winger you have OUT of the lineup?

That trade confuses me.

The Seguin trade is good value. I'll say this, like I said on another roster that has Seguin, he likely isn't leaving Dallas because he loves it there. And the Stars probably won't trade him anyways, because they need him to make the playoffs (much like the Islanders, but they have a goalie).
Jul. 12, 2018 at 7:30 p.m.
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sjsharks82
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Quoting: mothariah
Why are trading away a second round pick and a good defensive prospect (at least at one time before he became made of glass) for a aged, slow winger you have OUT of the lineup?

That trade confuses me.

The Seguin trade is good value. I'll say this, like I said on another roster that has Seguin, he likely isn't leaving Dallas because he loves it there. And the Stars probably won't trade him anyways, because they need him to make the playoffs (much like the Islanders, but they have a goalie).


I goofed! I meant to put williams on the wing with the Joes. Just forgot to move him. As for the reasoning there, Williams is "Mr. Game 7." Proven cup winner on a roster with ZERO cup winners (jones, but he didnt play). They also lose depth at forward without labanc and Tierney. Williams is still a very good player, but for me its about veteran leadership, who steps up in key moments, and brings a cup winning knowledge. Think of it a little like Orpik on Washington. Hes not gunna play the lead role, but his experience and leadership are invaluable. Orpik, like williams is one of just a handful of players to win cups with multiple teams. That's what I want...

And as I mentioned elsewhere, Dallas absolutely does not intend to deal seguin. BUT, if they suck this year: If their division sees the preds and jets dominate and STL much improved and colorado continue their youth run, and chicago still has kane-toews-keith-seabrook etc and are likely to have a better showing, then dallas becomes the odd man out. I would not be surprised, at all, to see dallas dead last in the division. They have only 3 top scorers and that includes radulov who had the best year of his career, which is unlikely to happen again at 32 years old. Their top second liner (4th highest forward) had just 34 pts. Their D is quite mediocre after klingberg and maybe lindell.

Simply put, While seguin loves dallas and is not like tavares, he also did not sign his extension yet and playing for a bad team is not fun, and Dallas has a very real chance of being a bad team at this moment .

(of course a karlsson trade could be interesting there. but then again that would require dallas to pay well over 30M to just three players in Benn, Seguin, and karlsson.)
Jul. 13, 2018 at 4:07 p.m.
#3
mothariah
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Quoting: slepler
I goofed! I meant to put williams on the wing with the Joes. Just forgot to move him. As for the reasoning there, Williams is "Mr. Game 7." Proven cup winner on a roster with ZERO cup winners (jones, but he didnt play). They also lose depth at forward without labanc and Tierney. Williams is still a very good player, but for me its about veteran leadership, who steps up in key moments, and brings a cup winning knowledge. Think of it a little like Orpik on Washington. Hes not gunna play the lead role, but his experience and leadership are invaluable. Orpik, like williams is one of just a handful of players to win cups with multiple teams. That's what I want...

And as I mentioned elsewhere, Dallas absolutely does not intend to deal seguin. BUT, if they suck this year: If their division sees the preds and jets dominate and STL much improved and colorado continue their youth run, and chicago still has kane-toews-keith-seabrook etc and are likely to have a better showing, then dallas becomes the odd man out. I would not be surprised, at all, to see dallas dead last in the division. They have only 3 top scorers and that includes radulov who had the best year of his career, which is unlikely to happen again at 32 years old. Their top second liner (4th highest forward) had just 34 pts. Their D is quite mediocre after klingberg and maybe lindell.

Simply put, While seguin loves dallas and is not like tavares, he also did not sign his extension yet and playing for a bad team is not fun, and Dallas has a very real chance of being a bad team at this moment .

(of course a karlsson trade could be interesting there. but then again that would require dallas to pay well over 30M to just three players in Benn, Seguin, and karlsson.)


I just think you can get his production on the market for cheaper. I just don't see that trade being a good fit with the Sharks. Williams is slow, and he is getting older. They need youth and speed.

Key word there is yet. He has a full year to sign a deal before he would hit the open market. If there isn't something done by October, we can talk. If there isn't something done by Christmas, we can speculate where he could be traded to. If there isn't something done by the draft, we can predict where he might sign next year. That's my only point.
Jul. 13, 2018 at 4:14 p.m.
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mothariah
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Quoting: slepler
I goofed! I meant to put williams on the wing with the Joes. Just forgot to move him. As for the reasoning there, Williams is "Mr. Game 7." Proven cup winner on a roster with ZERO cup winners (jones, but he didnt play). They also lose depth at forward without labanc and Tierney. Williams is still a very good player, but for me its about veteran leadership, who steps up in key moments, and brings a cup winning knowledge. Think of it a little like Orpik on Washington. Hes not gunna play the lead role, but his experience and leadership are invaluable. Orpik, like williams is one of just a handful of players to win cups with multiple teams. That's what I want...

And as I mentioned elsewhere, Dallas absolutely does not intend to deal seguin. BUT, if they suck this year: If their division sees the preds and jets dominate and STL much improved and colorado continue their youth run, and chicago still has kane-toews-keith-seabrook etc and are likely to have a better showing, then dallas becomes the odd man out. I would not be surprised, at all, to see dallas dead last in the division. They have only 3 top scorers and that includes radulov who had the best year of his career, which is unlikely to happen again at 32 years old. Their top second liner (4th highest forward) had just 34 pts. Their D is quite mediocre after klingberg and maybe lindell.

Simply put, While seguin loves dallas and is not like tavares, he also did not sign his extension yet and playing for a bad team is not fun, and Dallas has a very real chance of being a bad team at this moment .

(of course a karlsson trade could be interesting there. but then again that would require dallas to pay well over 30M to just three players in Benn, Seguin, and karlsson.)


The Stars have also signed 15 players since June 22nd. They have been busy. While you want your elite center under contract for next season, there is time for that to wait a little bit while the Shore (see what I did there?! haha) up the team for this year. They have three RFAs to go, and then they're done for 2018-19. I imagine we are going to hear a lot about a Seguin contract in August.
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