If you think you can get all that from Pittsburgh, I'll take two of whatever you're on partner. And yes, I'm aware that Pacioretty is a 30-goal scorer. These "realistic" mocks always fascinate me because based on your lineup, you think Patches will get you a top line center (age 23), a 2nd line sniper (age 20), and a top pairing LD (age 23). And a first round pick... hmmm

While I agree that it's an overpayment, but Guentzel is not a #1 C. He doesn't even play C. He's a top 6 forward at best who benifits from playing with guys like Crosby and Malkin, aka Conor Sheary. Sprong has potential but isn't a top 6 yet either.

Yeah I am sorry, but that is not realistic at all. I realize im "Just a pens fan", but this is kinda pushing it. Guentzel is only 23, and is a great second line winger, Maatta is only 23 and is a top-pairing D, Sprong is 20 and is already shown he can play well on the top line, and a first round pick in a deep draft. Doesnt seem good at all for the Pens

I totally agree - what I was getting at is the way the roster is put together in this mock... he has Guentzel as the top line C and so-on... Either way, I don't think the Pens would be willing to trade all these pieces for a guy who would end up being their 4th biggest scoring threat.

I think you are way over-rating Guentzel. He is no top line center, playing mostly wing and not having such a great season. Sprong is nothing confirmed, far from being a second sniper lock for the future, more of a gamble than anything else. And compared to what other teams got for forwards in deal before, i really feel the offer is fair. ( Kessel to Pit, Hanzal to Min, Ladd to CHI, Eaves to ANA, Lucic to LAK etc.....)

Sprong a top line winger? Then i guess Sherbak is soon to be our first line winger too. And the pick was 2019 not 2018.

(1) He does play center. (2) If you ever watch him, he creates his own space and chances. (3) Sprong is definitely an NHLer stick with a team with major winger depth.



You think Guentzel+Sprong+Maatta+1st is equal to Kapanen+1st+Harrington . . . unreal.


As for the person who made this team, what the ****. You have a better chance of winning the powerball than getting Guentzel for Pacioretty 1for1. PLUS Maatta! God awful. I wouldn’t do Maatta 1for1 for Pacioretty, either. Maatta is a legit #2/3D playing on an already weak defense. PLUS a 1st and Sprong? Go learn hockey and then make another team.


Sprong+1st+prospect(Lauzon?) is what I’d give up for Pacioretty. Nothing more.


Awful, just awful.

Learn to read. The guy said Sprong has shown to be good on line 1, which he as.

If you aren't going to trade Guentzel for Pacc 1 on 1 you're clueless.

Yea so did Sherbak before he got hurt or so is Deslauriers right playing top line with Drouin and Chucky. Value of a player is not based on a few games spent on the first line....

No, your clueless.

Guentzel lead the league in playoff scoring just last year. He’s 23 and on a beauty of a contract(RFA in 2 years). However Pacioretty has been **** in playoffs and is a UFA in 2 years.

Man, my choice is soooooo hard. Cmon man and stop being a ******* douche.

Ive seen him play plenty of times he hasn't gotten over 35 pts but you think he's a #1 C lol ok. And Sprong played 8 games. Most with Crosby. Hard to judge a player on that. Also I've watched Sprong play plenty of times in person and unless he works on his defence he's a poor mans Phil kessel

Beauty of a contract?? it's the entry-level one?? But i guess Pacc at 4.5m for another is soooo bad man i understand your choice. Guentzel obviously is way better than Pacc with his 25 pts on the season playing with the Pens while we all know Pacc just been producing because of the center's feeding him ahah you a joke man i'm done dealing with you.

(1) I said he played center. I never said he was a #1C.

(2) You are so ******* dumb with the 35 point comment. He got 33 points in 40(40!!) games last year. He was called up halfway through last year after having 42 points in 33 AHL games last year. You clearly have no knowledge of hockey.

(3) You watched but you are critizing his defense? His defense wasn’t a worry when he was up with PIT this year. Maybe it was different in junior, but he wasn’t bad defensively in the NHL or AHL(I watched Wilkes-Barre Penguins).

(4). Hard to judge 8 games, correct. But saying my point isn’t valid based on that comment is false. I said he looked good while he was up, not “he will be a 1st liner.”

I can't agree more with you! i didn't get to see Sprong in person tho but it wouldn't surprise if he finishes a poor man's Kessel. These guys are way over-rating their players it's crazy.

What’s wrong with calling a ELC a beauty of a contract? Is it bad that Guentzel on an ELC for 2 more years AND will be an RFA after the contract? Dude enough, Pacioretty doesn’t have this value that you think. Guentzel is a dream for MTL. LOL at your hockey knowledge and thinking from both sides.

Anyways, could you explain why PIT would even trade Guentzel for Pacioretty? Please try.

Overrating players? Look at the trade you made

Yah and he has 25 through 51 this year? Pacioretty has had multiple 30 goal seasons with no Center to play with. But yet he's nothing compared to Guentzal?

So what would you trade for Patches? Hagelin? You gotta give to get and the two teams don't match anyways Montreal needs a young C or young LHD. Pittsburgh has none besides Matta

You clearly have no hockey knowledge if you only use points for comparisons. Pacioretty is the better player, but Guentzel has more value.

(1) Guentzel IS a center, a position of need of most teams. He just fits so well for Sid/Geno. He has been playing LW with Sheahan for multiple games and has gone through a slump.

(2) Guentzel is much younger than Pacioretty. Guentzel also has a WAY better contract than Pacioretty. About 700k for 2 more years and then is an RFA? Lovely. Pacioretty, you only get him for 2 more years and then poof! He’s gone.

(3) Guentzel playoffs stats>>>Pacioretty playoff stats

Please explain, in detail, why the Penguins trade Guentzel for Pacioretty?

Never said they would and wow he had 1 good playoff run. I'm sure everyone remembers Fernando Pisani. IMO he won't be a top 6 Center maybe a winger yes but just like Sheary he benifted from playing with Crosby.

Backup your opinion with stats. “he won’t be a top 6 center maybe a winger” Lol at the maybe a top 6 winger part.

Should I also tell you that he only has had one playoff run in total. LOL

If he's so good why isn't he playing with Crosby or Malkin? And yup 1 playoff run let's see what he does this year. Btw Patches sucked last playoffs but the playoffs before he was putting up pts.

All this coming from the dude who wouldn't trade Malkin for
Galchenyuk
Gallagher
Mete
And a top 5 pick in this years draft

Because the bottom 6 wasn’t working and we needed to juice it up . . .

If you consider 3 ES goals in the 14-15 playoff run “putting up points”, you do you.

Yeah, I wouldn’t. Our Center depth would be **** like MTL’s ironically and we already have our top 9 wingers filled out. Plus we have our top 4 LHD filled out and signed for multiple years. That top 5 pick doesn’t do **** while we try and win the cup this year.