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Trading Weber

Created by: DDoverChucky
Team: 2017-18 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 25, 2018
Published: Apr. 25, 2018
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Trading Weber to ARI. Because his salary is lower than cap hit it works for ARI. MTL gets QC D prospect. "Busts" Domi and Galchenyuk also swapped.
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
27$75,000,000$54,669,998$0$1,320,000$20,330,002
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 6
$3,750,000$3,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
$4,050,000$4,050,000
LW
UFA - 2
$3,900,000$3,900,000
C, RW
UFA - 5
$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW
UFA - 1
$1,166,667$1,166,667
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$912,500$912,500
C
UFA - 1
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$839,166$839,166
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$725,000$725,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
$775,000$775,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$650,000$650,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
$725,000$725,000
LW
UFA - 1
$650,000$650,000
C
UFA - 2
$650,000$650,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 2
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
RW, C
UFA - 3
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
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UFA - 1
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$4,625,000$4,625,000
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UFA - 5
$6,500,000$6,500,000
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UFA - 1
$2,100,000$2,100,000
LD
UFA - 3
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 4
$700,000$700,000
G
UFA - 1
$1,100,000$1,100,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
$863,333$863,333
RD
UFA - 3
$748,333$748,333 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
LD/RD
UFA - 3
$725,000$725,000
LD
UFA - 2
$925,000$925,000
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Apr. 25, 2018 at 6:59 a.m.
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Sorry, this is perhaps the nuttiest trade I've seen here ever. Weber and Galchenkyuk -- a veteran Norris candidate every year that he has been healthy and a 24-year-old still-emerging talent -- plus a pick for Domi and two prospects still in juniors?!!! No sir.
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Apr. 25, 2018 at 7:58 a.m.
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If that trade was for Galchenyuk alone it might be fair.
Apr. 25, 2018 at 8:17 a.m.
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The GM of Montreal won't be trading Weber,because that would mean he has egg all over his face for the P.K. SUBBAN trade. As you come to know that our GM likes to blame everyone else but himself for the year that was.
Apr. 25, 2018 at 9:07 a.m.
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Whenever I see a Montreal Post looking to trade Weber at full value, I get ready to roast the post! There are so many reasons for the Canadiens not to trade Weber (not the least of which is described by Flynnster above), but the Canadiens if they want to actually do the full rebuild, need to do it and do it now! I automatically would look for Montreal to take back money, (50%) but you suggest they swallow hard and throw in Galchenyuk and throw in a solid 2nd. Most Canadiens fans are going to roast you, but I actually think, you have identified a move that might actually work for both sides. Weber coming off injury has questions surrounding him, his performance potential, and his long term contract. If Montreal can shed it at full value, I say make the move!
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Apr. 25, 2018 at 12:40 p.m.
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Whenever I see a Montreal Post looking to trade Weber at full value, I get ready to roast the post! There are so many reasons for the Canadiens not to trade Weber (not the least of which is described by Flynnster above), but the Canadiens if they want to actually do the full rebuild, need to do it and do it now! I automatically would look for Montreal to take back money, (50%) but you suggest they swallow hard and throw in Galchenyuk and throw in a solid 2nd. Most Canadiens fans are going to roast you, but I actually think, you have identified a move that might actually work for both sides. Weber coming off injury has questions surrounding him, his performance potential, and his long term contract. If Montreal can shed it at full value, I say make the move!

Yea I don't see why people would want to keep him for 8 more years at 7,8m. It's common for fans to overvalue their players. Not trying to bash Weber but his best days are behind him.
Apr. 25, 2018 at 12:46 p.m.
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Sorry, this is perhaps the nuttiest trade I've seen here ever. Weber and Galchenkyuk -- a veteran Norris candidate every year that he has been healthy and a 24-year-old still-emerging talent -- plus a pick for Domi and two prospects still in juniors?!!! No sir.


Weber has 0 norris trophies and will never win one anymore. He is 32, has been injured a lot and carries a huge contract until he is 40. There is every reason to trade him if you can get something back.

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If that trade was for Galchenyuk alone it might be fair.


It's common knowledge that Bergevin doesn't like Galchenyuk and would want to trade him. Bergevin likes grittier type of players that's why he would want Domi. Chucky is also a UFA in 3 years where as Domi is still an RFA.
Apr. 25, 2018 at 12:51 p.m.
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Quoting: DDoverChucky
Weber has 0 norris trophies and will never win one anymore. He is 32, has been injured a lot and carries a huge contract until he is 40. There is every reason to trade him if you can get something back.



It's common knowledge that Bergevin doesn't like Galchenyuk and would want to trade him. Bergevin likes grittier type of players that's why he would want Domi. Chucky is also a UFA in 3 years where as Domi is still an RFA.


Weber has 0 Norris Trophies, true, and has been in the Top-10 voting every year since he was 22. This was the first year he wasn't, though had he played the full season, even on a bad ankle, he would have have 51 points, which would have helped the Canadiens a lot and, possibly, kept that streak of top-10s alive.
Apr. 25, 2018 at 1:32 p.m.
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Quoting: DDoverChucky
Weber has 0 norris trophies and will never win one anymore. He is 32, has been injured a lot and carries a huge contract until he is 40. There is every reason to trade him if you can get something back.



It's common knowledge that Bergevin doesn't like Galchenyuk and would want to trade him. Bergevin likes grittier type of players that's why he would want Domi. Chucky is also a UFA in 3 years where as Domi is still an RFA.


Ok but look at the value, Domi has never done anything significant in then NHL while Chucky has shown more upside then him. Let’s not also forget that Domi was apparently on the trading block to.

You can think that Galchenyuk and Weber are not valued highly but if they hit the trade market Weber would command a package of an elite prospect, a top pick and a roster player, which is basically what this is. Who ever says that Weber wouldn’t get that is delusional, even with his contract he is an elite defenceman, if you included reducing salary you would be talking a major haul coming the other way.

Thinking of sending him with a 24 year old player that’s shown he can put up 30 goals is even more psychotic. Phoenix wins this trade by a landslide, the only way MTL would consider this is if they included Dylan Strome and a first round pick.
Apr. 25, 2018 at 1:38 p.m.
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Quoting: Doug7004
Whenever I see a Montreal Post looking to trade Weber at full value, I get ready to roast the post! There are so many reasons for the Canadiens not to trade Weber (not the least of which is described by Flynnster above), but the Canadiens if they want to actually do the full rebuild, need to do it and do it now! I automatically would look for Montreal to take back money, (50%) but you suggest they swallow hard and throw in Galchenyuk and throw in a solid 2nd. Most Canadiens fans are going to roast you, but I actually think, you have identified a move that might actually work for both sides. Weber coming off injury has questions surrounding him, his performance potential, and his long term contract. If Montreal can shed it at full value, I say make the move!


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Yea I don't see why people would want to keep him for 8 more years at 7,8m. It's common for fans to overvalue their players. Not trying to bash Weber but his best days are behind him.



This is not fair value for Weber at all though. Let’s say he plays till he is 36 (when he retires Nashville pays him) that’s still 3-4 more years of a guy who will always be able to play top 4 minutes and can be a great role model for your younger players, add in that his actual salary will be $3 million by that time. Meaning for a team like Phoenix his contract is actually a benefit, it’s gets them to the cap floor without them having to actually pay him that much money. That makes him even more valuable to them, he would be a cheap top pairing defenceman for as long as you want to keep him. Thinking him alone isn’t worth a prospect, roster player and a top pick is just kidding yourself.
Apr. 25, 2018 at 2:42 p.m.
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This is not fair value for Weber at all though. Let’s say he plays till he is 36 (when he retires Nashville pays him) that’s still 3-4 more years of a guy who will always be able to play top 4 minutes and can be a great role model for your younger players, add in that his actual salary will be $3 million by that time. Meaning for a team like Phoenix his contract is actually a benefit, it’s gets them to the cap floor without them having to actually pay him that much money. That makes him even more valuable to them, he would be a cheap top pairing defenceman for as long as you want to keep him. Thinking him alone isn’t worth a prospect, roster player and a top pick is just kidding yourself.


Weber's salary is 3m but his cap hit is 7,8m. There's no extra value in this it's just a good reason for a cash strapped team like ARI to eat that contract. The 2 prospects I added are both pretty good. The overall value is debatable but at this stage of his career Weber is not someone you want to overpay for. This is not the same thing as trading for Drew Doughty or Erik Karlsson. By making this trade you acknowledge that Weber may be a dead contract in a few years. This is why his value isn't as high as you think. Bergevin may ask for more, but he's not gonna get it.

If you try this trade again in 2-3 years you will get much less for Weber, maybe no takers. Impossible to predict the future, so it's best to do it now, because his value is only going to decline.
Apr. 25, 2018 at 2:51 p.m.
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Ok but look at the value, Domi has never done anything significant in then NHL while Chucky has shown more upside then him. Let’s not also forget that Domi was apparently on the trading block to.

Thinking of sending him with a 24 year old player that’s shown he can put up 30 goals is even more psychotic. Phoenix wins this trade by a landslide, the only way MTL would consider this is if they included Dylan Strome and a first round pick.


This is what I mean when I say fans overvalue their own players. Chucky and Domi have the exact same point per game 0,61 (no I didn't make this up look it up). Domi also adds grit, what does Chucky add besides points? Chucky only has 3 years left of his contract. Domi is a year younger and is RFA, meaning you can sign for longer than Chucky's 3 years. There's no way Chucky has more value, if anything it's Domi that does.
Apr. 25, 2018 at 8:34 p.m.
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This is what I mean when I say fans overvalue their own players. Chucky and Domi have the exact same point per game 0,61 (no I didn't make this up look it up). Domi also adds grit, what does Chucky add besides points? Chucky only has 3 years left of his contract. Domi is a year younger and is RFA, meaning you can sign for longer than Chucky's 3 years. There's no way Chucky has more value, if anything it's Domi that does.


But your not arguing just Domi vs Chucky, your adding in one of the top 20 best defenceman in the NHL.

In the whole Domi vs Chucky arguement by the way, he has the same ppg but he has never scored over 20 goals, hasn’t gotten over 10 in the past two seasons and has no ability to play center where Galchenyuk can be used there. Domi is a year younger and who knows where he will go and the same can be said about Galchenyuk but if you look at both their careers there is more upside to be seen in Galchenyuk
 
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