That's not realistic, that's selling for cents on the dollar.

Namestikov had 4 points in 19 games with the rangers and outside of handing the puck to two of the best forwards in the world he has never produced anywhere near a top 6 level. Ryan Spooner is a solid PP guy who has offensive ability but is a liability in the defensive zone.

Fine. Then we'll keep them. I don't share your assessment, though.

"Namestnikov did not produce ? Oh then he's worth nothing. Spooner did produce? Oh but he's bad in the defensive zone, so he's worth nothing."

Acknowledge the circumstances they were in: NYR were a dumpster fire, and Namestnikov had constantly different linemates, often playing in the 4th line. His transition game was one of the best in the NHL when he was in Tampa. Let's see what he does with a new coach.

If the price is not right, NYR can afford to wait on them to maximize return or not trade them at all.

Didn't say they were worth nothing, I think it is better to let young players that were drafted high and have great potential get those spots, maybe I undersold their value a bit and you can get a 2 and a 3 or something, but I don't think either of them are worth paying at this point and the rangers should be in rebuild mode. They would be better off developing Andersson and Chytil, maybe would you want to keep one of those two and trade Vesey's rights?

I’m sounding like a broken record here, but without Ryan Spooner, Kevin Hayes would have been a 35 point 2C. Spooner had 12 pts in 16 games in NY. If either of Namestnikov or Spooner sign elsewhere as RFA, they’d get deals in the $3-$4M range... that equates to more than a 2nd and 5th round pick. Not too sure of the value chart for the next season yet, but it seems like $3-$4M range is 2nd round pick, so they could get 2 2nds at least so why take a 2 and a 5?

Your're not going to get the exact offer sheet compensation since a team can only trade their second round pick for the next year. So maybe you get a 2nd and a 3rd. I personally don't think Namestikov is worth a 2nd by himself and spooner probably is. No one is going to offer sheet in today's day and age really so you got to get what you can.

Get the Draft Boards from 2010-15 and see the names in the 2nd round. There are better players than Spooner and Namestnikov there, but not many, and a lot don't make it. When you pick a player there, you hope ends up being a Spooner or a Namestnikov. If they're traded together, the least you ask for is a 1st + 2nd. Finally, yes there are young players that need to play. But they also need to not get hammered every night.

if you can get a 1st and a 2nd for the rights to Spooner and Namestikov in the offseason, I'll eat my hat. i understand how the second round works, thanks guy. Go show me a real trade where the rights of a player got traded and what they got.

Most fans underestimate Nmstnkv worth. He a known valuable commodity. Sound, smart, reliable, dependable, former 1st rounder for a reason. He knows how to play with good players which is the reason he struggled here. That, and it was his first move/trade, not unusual, a la E Staal NYR situation. He'll get paid long term, not bridge, to a decent contract 6x4-5m ish. Cause it's well known he's worth it. Maybe not here as a leader, preferably as a complimentary player on a contender. TBL did it to get JTM. Spooner has offensive potential and also has some value. Not this lowball offer.

I mean Hartman just got a 1st and a prospect and he's certainly not better that Spooner and Namestnikov.

Namestikov alone is worth a first and spooner is around a 2nd and a 3rd look what nyr got for grabner and now spooner brings more offensive abilities and much younger but higher cap between 3-4m if they dont get the offer they want for them they will just resign them and still have over 10m left in cap space for f.a

explain to me why namestikov would be worth a 1st

He is a top 6 forward that put up 48 points in 82 games he wouldve had more production if vignault wasnt so keen on putting him on the 4th line and mcloed on the 2nd. He is 25 entering 26 so he will be in his prime very shortly and can play any position up front which is incredibly valuable to a franchise, next season if he ends up staying his production will be better by marginly if nyr are not going to improve in the f.a with defence otherwise nyr could be back in the playoffs with the team they already have and if so namestikov will produce 100% better than now or if he gets moved to a playoff team he is going to be in the range of 50-65 easily.

He put up 44 of those points while playing with Stamkos and Kucherov, who JT Miller produced more PPG with once inserted. His age 24 season he had 28 points in 74 games and he is not a proven top 6 forward at all. He's a 3rd line center at best and is already in his prime.

He was with them for 30-40 games and then was moved around and prime age generally is 28,29 and is easily top 6 and proven to be i dont understand why everyone is agreeing on his value being more you are arguing with everyone instead of realizing you may have it wrong.

He had 33 points in the first 38 games while playing with them and then 15 points in the final 33 games. My opinion isn't changing because some ranger fans think he's good for no statistical reason.