Absolutely terrible for Ottawa. They don't even get a 1st back or any blue-chip prospects.

Sorry. Ottawa will never get a first if they are asking someone to take BR's contract.

Thanks for the comment.

What changes would you make to the trade?

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Ottawa will get at least one first round pick even is Ryan is included because Karlsson is that good.

I think something like a 1st, a 2nd, Timo Meier, Chris Tierney, Dillon, and another prospect would get the job done for SJ.

I know everyone wants to put Erik Karlsson with the Sharks, and as a hard core Sharks fan, I do too, but that is a LOT to give up for a guy who has been hurt a lot lately, and is arguable the same player as Brent Burns (Karlsson is much better in his own end). I don't think he's worth it for a team that hasn't been able to find any young top six players of late.

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I agree, that would be a good amount to pay for Karlsson. Even though his is one of the top 5 D-men in the league, the fact that he is a UFA is a factor when giving up a haul like that. Hopefully part of the negotiations with Karlsson include talks of an extension prior to making the trade. Otherwise, I think that is too much of a gamble to give up, even for a player as good as Karlsson.

My thoughts are that SJS would a little more leverage in the deal if they are taking on the the Bobby Ryan contract. The fact that OTT is hell-bent on pair both players together in a deal, can serve as a bargaining chip for whatever team is agreeing to take on the long term contract of Ryan. I think that you're right in that, they would probably have to give up another blue chip prospect, other than the ones that I have listed. But I'm with you and if OTT is going to stubborn enough to keep waiting for a deal like the one you presented, I think they are going to come up short and lose Karlsson for nothing. I think OTT might be able to get a better or more realistic deal if they trade Karlsson by himself.

I hear comparisons of OTT wanting to wait things out like Sakic did when he made his deals in the Duchene trade. I think they are two very different scenarios. One key factor is that Duchene had two years left on his contract at the time of his trade and doesn't have too heavy of a contract for a team to take on. A second is that COL wasn't attempting to pair Duchene with another very heavy contract with massive term.

What are your thoughts?

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I agree, but I don't think DW makes the trade without an extension. Then the price probably goes up a bit. Maybe it's another first or something.

Also, DW just ripped Ottawa off in the Hoffman trade, so he might have to pay a pretty penny to deal with Ottawa again.

With regards to the Bobby Ryan thing, I know the Sens want to get rid of him, but forcing him into a deal with Erik Karlsson is just going to make the return on EK weaker. Remember, teams GIVE assets to have a bad contract taken off their books. I know this isn't really the same thing, but the Capitals just traded Philipp Grubauer to the Avalanche to take Brooks Orpik's contract. I know he wasn't going to be happy staying in DC, but the Caps traded an asset to gain another asset: cap space. Caps likely could have gotten more for Grubauer than a 2nd (hello Islanders), but they wanted the Orpik contract gone.