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Trades with Sharks and Avs

Created by: Zbaddest
Team: 2015-16 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 22, 2015
Published: Jun. 22, 2015
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
$3,200,000
$4,200,000
$3,650,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
$2,200,000
$950,000
Trades
1.
SJS
  1. Anderson, Craig
  2. Greening, Colin
  3. Legwand, David
  4. Michalek, Milan
Additional Details:
2016 1st Round Pick
2015 Ottawa 2nd Round Pick
2.
OTT
    2017 6th Round Pick
    3.
    OTT
      2015 3rd Round Pick
      NSH
      1. Neil, Chris
      Additional Details:
      2015 5th Round Pick
      4.
      OTT
        Not actually traded, he's promoted to a managerial position with the Ottawa Senators (his salary doesn't count against cap)
        5.
        COL
        1. Gryba, Eric
        2. Wiercioch, Patrick
        Additional Details:
        2015 4th Round Pick
        ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
        20$71,400,000$60,993,334$0$1,047,500$10,406,666
        Left WingCentreRight Wing
        $3,200,000$3,200,000
        LW
        UFA - 1
        $6,000,000$6,000,000
        C
        UFA - 4
        $7,250,000$7,250,000
        RW, LW
        M-NTC, NMC
        UFA - 7
        $2,666,667$2,666,667
        RW
        NMC
        UFA - 2
        $3,500,000$3,500,000
        C, RW
        UFA - 3
        $4,200,000$4,200,000
        RW
        UFA - 3
        $4,650,000$4,650,000
        LW
        M-NTC
        UFA - 5
        $3,650,000$3,650,000
        C
        UFA - 2
        $894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$360,000$360K)
        RW, C
        UFA - 2
        $900,000$900,000
        C
        UFA - 2
        $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
        LW
        UFA - 1
        $2,200,000$2,200,000
        RW
        UFA - 3
        Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
        $4,900,000$4,900,000
        LD
        M-NTC
        UFA - 4
        $6,500,000$6,500,000
        RD
        UFA - 4
        $2,225,000$2,225,000
        G
        UFA - 2
        $3,100,000$3,100,000
        LD
        UFA - 2
        $1,350,000$1,350,000
        G
        UFA - 3
        $1,100,000$1,100,000
        LD
        UFA - 3
        $894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$475,000$475K)
        RD
        UFA - 1
        $950,000$950,000
        RD
        UFA - 1

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        Jun. 23, 2015 at 2:42 p.m.
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        What about Alex Chiasson? what happened to him?
        Jun. 23, 2015 at 2:54 p.m.
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        Dream on haha.

        For Couture, think Stone + as a starting point

        We certainly are not taking the cap dumps of Legwand/Greening.
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        Jun. 23, 2015 at 5:28 p.m.
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        What about Alex Chiasson? what happened to him?

        Chiasson is really bad, and he has no good strong character, that is why he DOES NOT fit with the team.

        Quoting: J0e_Th0rnton
        Dream on haha.

        For Couture, think Stone + as a starting point

        We certainly are not taking the cap dumps of Legwand/Greening.


        Stone would get more than Couture, so saying that a starting point would be stone +, is simply impossible. Maybe putting both Greening and Legwand is a little to far, so with the removal of one or the other, the trade would be even more acceptable, but Ottawa would also probably remove the First Round Pick. Besides, Michalek had better numbers than Couture when he was with San Jose, and only a few years ago. Michalek has reached the 35 goals once, and had many 30 goal seasons, and multiple 60 point season, including one which he had 66 points, an amount Couture has never reached. So really, Michalek alone should get you more than Couture considering he's been better, he's cheaper, and he would have amazing points getting passes from Joe Thornton. Ottawa is actually giving up much more than San José is in this trade. Considering Anderson is one of the best current goaltenders, Michalek is an All Star, there are 1st and 2nd Round picks in the deal, and Legwand was once amazing, and he can still support a team with a lot of cap space and be effective in penalty killing, plus, he only has one year left on his contract. If Ottawa offered this deal to San José, they would definitely take it.
        Jun. 23, 2015 at 6:29 p.m.
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        Quoting: Zbaddest
        Quoting: donkey
        What about Alex Chiasson? what happened to him?

        Chiasson is really bad, and he has no good strong character, that is why he DOES NOT fit with the team.

        Quoting: J0e_Th0rnton
        Dream on haha.

        For Couture, think Stone + as a starting point

        We certainly are not taking the cap dumps of Legwand/Greening.


        Stone would get more than Couture, so saying that a starting point would be stone +, is simply impossible. Maybe putting both Greening and Legwand is a little to far, so with the removal of one or the other, the trade would be even more acceptable, but Ottawa would also probably remove the First Round Pick. Besides, Michalek had better numbers than Couture when he was with San Jose, and only a few years ago. Michalek has reached the 35 goals once, and had many 30 goal seasons, and multiple 60 point season, including one which he had 66 points, an amount Couture has never reached. So really, Michalek alone should get you more than Couture considering he's been better, he's cheaper, and he would have amazing points getting passes from Joe Thornton. Ottawa is actually giving up much more than San José is in this trade. Considering Anderson is one of the best current goaltenders, Michalek is an All Star, there are 1st and 2nd Round picks in the deal, and Legwand was once amazing, and he can still support a team with a lot of cap space and be effective in penalty killing, plus, he only has one year left on his contract. If Ottawa offered this deal to San José, they would definitely take it.


        ROFL. Horsecrap. Couture is a 26 year old shutdown center who has gotten better every season. He plays against opposing teams top lines and scored 67 points despite his linemate Marleau having one of his worst years in recent memory and his RW being a revolving door of Wingels, Nieto and Tyler Kennedy.

        Thornton and Couture do not and never have played on the same line, and usually not even on the same PP unit. Michalek and Thornton wee joined at the hip when THornton was a Hart candidate

        Couture > Stone in value and in pedigree. Offensively, Stone is close. Defensively not close. Stone is like 7/10th's Couture.

        Go on any forum on the internet and ask "Couture vs Stone" and you are going to get 20 people voting Couture for every one voting Stone.

        Comparing Michalek's numbers to Couture's when they were both in San Jose is ridiculous. Scoring has dropped considerably since then.

        Who in gods name are you trying to convince here? Yourself? roFL
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        Jun. 23, 2015 at 6:46 p.m.
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        Marleau is probably having a bad season because he is playing with Couture and not Michalek, he would play better with a veteran like him in Michalek, imagine, Michalek - Thornton - Marleau, amazing top line.

        Woooah, how do you compare Stone and Couture's defensive abilities, not even close. Stone lead the league in takeaways, was a +21, and is a rookie player, going to pick up his Calder Trophy tomorrow from the presenter Daniel Alfredsson. Couture is at his prime, Stone still has miles until he reaches his prime. And obviously most people would say Couture is better now, but that's because barely anyone knows Stone. After another year, ask the same question, and it would seem like your comparing Crosby (Stone) to Malhotra (Couture). In a few years, Stone will have piled Selke trophies, Heart trophies, and the Ted Lindsay award, while Couture has nothing. Stone is going to be a legend, Couture has shown he won't be a legend. Couture is a good top centreman, but Stone is too good of a right winger to be worse than him. And Michalek was still good in Ottawa. I don't know who you are trying to convince, your name is Joe Thornton! That OTT - SJS trade works perfectly.
        Jun. 23, 2015 at 7:26 p.m.
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        Quoting: Zbaddest
        Marleau is probably having a bad season because he is playing with Couture and not Michalek, he would play better with a veteran like him in Michalek, imagine, Michalek - Thornton - Marleau, amazing top line.

        Woooah, how do you compare Stone and Couture's defensive abilities, not even close. Stone lead the league in takeaways, was a +21, and is a rookie player, going to pick up his Calder Trophy tomorrow from the presenter Daniel Alfredsson. Couture is at his prime, Stone still has miles until he reaches his prime. And obviously most people would say Couture is better now, but that's because barely anyone knows Stone. After another year, ask the same question, and it would seem like your comparing Crosby (Stone) to Malhotra (Couture). In a few years, Stone will have piled Selke trophies, Heart trophies, and the Ted Lindsay award, while Couture has nothing. Stone is going to be a legend, Couture has shown he won't be a legend. Couture is a good top centreman, but Stone is too good of a right winger to be worse than him. And Michalek was still good in Ottawa. I don't know who you are trying to convince, your name is Joe Thornton! That OTT - SJS trade works perfectly.


        Rofl, no son. Marleau was playing horrible no matter who he was with this season, and every shark fan saw him dragging Couture down. He was completely unmotivated this year. Like the year he got Ron Wilson fired.

        Michalek has truly lost a step and you are delusional to think he is still a superstar. This whole armchairGM sens team is delusional truthfully.

        Check Advanced stats. Couture was matched against opposing teams top lines and his linemate was -17, while he was far better.
        Takeaways. ROFL. Its official! Toews only had 45 takeaways. 70th in the league. The reigning Selke winner must be worse than sheltered Stone.
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        Jun. 23, 2015 at 7:28 p.m.
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        I have a better trade.
        Raffi Torres
        Adam Burish
        Patrick Marleau
        The rights to Niemi
        2016 1st

        for

        Erik Karlsson

        That is what your trade looks like.
        Jun. 23, 2015 at 9:47 p.m.
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        This has got to be the funniest stuff i've seen, talk about being on fantasy island holy crap man.
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        Jun. 23, 2015 at 9:58 p.m.
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        How about Craig Anderson, Milan Michalek, Colin Greening, and 2016 1st Round Pick for Logan Couture or Brent Burns to you Shark Fans. That way, you'll have a legit goalie and 2 good additions.
        Jun. 23, 2015 at 10:00 p.m.
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        Sharks get absolutely blindsided with that trade. Couture is not leaving for that paltry package.
        Jun. 24, 2015 at 4:18 a.m.
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        Not even the most hardcore sens fan thinks Stone is that good lol

        If Michalek was as good as advertized(You would swear this guy thinks he is selling to doug Wilson on the phone)they would just keep him haha.

        I am pretty sure I am being trolled at this point .
        Jun. 24, 2015 at 8:32 a.m.
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        But when you look at the stats, Stone is better than Couture. No doubt about it. Stone is a better two way forward. He is amazing on the Power Play and does a great job killing penalties. If Stone played with Marleau, he would still play exceptionally well, because he doesn't need his team mates to make him better. He leads the league in takeaways allowing him to make his own plays and not always need too many assists.
        Jun. 24, 2015 at 4:04 p.m.
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        But when you look at the stats, Stone is better than Couture. No doubt about it. Stone is a better two way forward. He is amazing on the Power Play and does a great job killing penalties. If Stone played with Marleau, he would still play exceptionally well, because he doesn't need his team mates to make him better. He leads the league in takeaways allowing him to make his own plays and not always need too many assists.

        Then you look at advanced stats rofl.

        Seriously? You are not trolling?
        Jun. 24, 2015 at 9:25 p.m.
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        But when you look at the stats, Stone is better than Couture. No doubt about it. Stone is a better two way forward. He is amazing on the Power Play and does a great job killing penalties. If Stone played with Marleau, he would still play exceptionally well, because he doesn't need his team mates to make him better. He leads the league in takeaways allowing him to make his own plays and not always need too many assists.


        Just give it up. Shit trade and there is no justification.
        Jun. 25, 2015 at 6:30 a.m.
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        I'm a Habs fan and I really don't care about either of these teams, but that trade would never happen and the Sharks would be stupid to even think about it. The second trade you are proposing is even worse, Anderson is past his prime and doesn't give the Sharks nearly what they need in goal.
         
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