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Tampa a winner with Stone extension AAV

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Team: 2018-19 Tampa Bay Lightning
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 25, 2019
Published: Feb. 25, 2019
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Tampa a winner with Stone extension AAV
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TBL
  1. 2019 1st round pick (WPG)
  2. 2019 1st round pick (NYR)
  3. 2020 1st round pick (NYR)
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No need to even consider 4 #1s for Point
NYR
  1. Point, Brayden
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Stone's extension- 8 years for 72M is music to Tampa ears .. Point should be similar as both states tax free. Look for Tampa to be VERY active at Draft time; particularly if no Cup.
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2019
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2020
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2021
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
24$79,500,000$78,556,279$142,947$1,417,500$943,721
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
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NTC
UFA - 6
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$8,500,000$8,500,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 6
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$5,300,000$5,300,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 4
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$4,450,000$4,450,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 5
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 5
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$5,800,000$5,800,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
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$728,333$728,333 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
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C, LW
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$715,000$715,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$650,000$650,000
C
UFA - 1
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$4,766,667$4,766,667
RW
UFA - 1
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$7,875,000$7,875,000
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UFA - 7
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
G
UFA - 2
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$4,700,000$4,700,000
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M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
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NTC
UFA - 1
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$1,150,000$1,150,000
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UFA - 2
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$3,700,000$3,700,000
LD
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UFA - 1
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$697,500$697,500 (Performance Bonus$202,500$202K)
RD
UFA - 2
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$894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LD/RD
UFA - 2
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$650,000$650,000
LW
UFA - 1

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Feb. 25, 2019 at 4:20 p.m.
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it sure is! probably won't be that big of a difference from the 10M I'm anticipating but I'll take it
Feb. 25, 2019 at 4:37 p.m.
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Why is Stone's extension "music to Tampa's ears"? And why would we trade point?
Feb. 25, 2019 at 4:41 p.m.
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Why is Stone's extension "music to Tampa's ears"? And why would we trade point?


It’s not a trade ffs, it’s supposed to be offer sheet compensation.

And it’s good because some people think Point will make 10M+
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Feb. 25, 2019 at 4:49 p.m.
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9M AAV for Stone .. comparable to Point in a tax free state... there is concern Point would get much higher and thus be lost for 4 # 1s .. which wouldn't be end of world either
Feb. 25, 2019 at 5:48 p.m.
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Quoting: Hedman77
It’s not a trade ffs, it’s supposed to be offer sheet compensation.

And it’s good because some people think Point will make 10M+


Quoting: BOLTLOVER1
9M AAV for Stone .. comparable to Point in a tax free state... there is concern Point would get much higher and thus be lost for 4 # 1s .. which wouldn't be end of world either


Highly doubt there will be an offer sheet lol, history would disagree with the likely-hood of that happening. I still think point will get a bolts bridge deal, just like johnson and palat at 10m over 3 years, just like kuch at 14.3m over 3 years... 5-6m per year @ 3 years or so would be ideal. But who knows, time will tell. I just can't see Point dipping on the bolts. If we don't win the cup this year, maybe he'll look elsewhere but he's had nothing but success this far in his career and Tampa has no intentions of low-balling Pointer this off season. They'll dump less important contracts to make room, would probs buy out someone too if it came to that. Can only hope that Tampa makes Point a priority lol.
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Feb. 25, 2019 at 5:56 p.m.
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Highly doubt there will be an offer sheet lol, history would disagree with the likely-hood of that happening. I still think point will get a bolts bridge deal, just like johnson and palat at 10m over 3 years, just like kuch at 14.3m over 3 years... 5-6m per year @ 3 years or so would be ideal. But who knows, time will tell. I just can't see Point dipping on the bolts. If we don't win the cup this year, maybe he'll look elsewhere but he's had nothing but success this far in his career and Tampa has no intentions of low-balling Pointer this off season. They'll dump less important contracts to make room, would probs buy out someone too if it came to that. Can only hope that Tampa makes Point a priority lol.


Brisebois said earlier this year that re-signing Point will be his top priority this summer. Point himself has said he’d be open to either one, bridge or long-term.

And yeah I doubt anyone offer sheets him.
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Feb. 25, 2019 at 6:29 p.m.
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Oh Christ .. here we go again .. all Tampa players take hometown discounts because they love it here.. take under market bridge deals to help the team and no one waives NTC because Tampa is hockey nirvana and gosh darn it like Disneyland.

PLEASE .... Point contract a match for Stone and Point is priority 1 .. and 1b. Is getting a top pairing RD .. dont be surprised if talks with Buffalo resurface
Feb. 26, 2019 at 3:14 a.m.
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Oh Christ .. here we go again .. all Tampa players take hometown discounts because they love it here.. take under market bridge deals to help the team and no one waives NTC because Tampa is hockey nirvana and gosh darn it like Disneyland.

PLEASE .... Point contract a match for Stone and Point is priority 1 .. and 1b. Is getting a top pairing RD .. dont be surprised if talks with Buffalo resurface


OR.. MAYBE they realize that Tampa has been a cup contender the past several years AND also has the tax benefit... That's common sense reasoning for most, but I guess some blame the team friendly deals on BS like Disney lmao. Stamkos is the only bolt I can think of that IMMEDIATELY got paid big bucks. Point could easily get something like Stammer's 1st extension (5 yr x 7.5m).

COMPARABLE CONTRACT EXTENSIONS:
Stamkos:............... 21, 5 yr x 7.5m......(4.76m after taxes).......(232 points in 243 games at the time).......(0.954 points per game)
Kane:..................... 21, 5 yr x 6.3m......(3.7m after taxes).........(168 points in 188 games at the time).......(0.893 points per game)
Gaudreau:............ 23, 6 yr x 6.75m....(3.55m after taxes).......(143 points in 160 games at the time).......(0.893 points per game)
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AVERAGES--> 21-23, 5/6 yr 6.85m 4m after taxes 181 points 197 games 0.913 points per game
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Point:..................... 23, N/A yr x N/A m.......................................(210 points in 230 games at the time).......(0.913 points per game)

If you add Pointer into that same comparison, he'd rank 2nd in points, games, and points per game. Ironically, Point's .913 ppg was the exact same as average of the original 3 ppg comparison. But that coincidence makes it extremely easy to make predictions for Pointers extension. Stamkos and Kane were both 1st overall picks and were both 21 when they signed their extensions. Point and Gaudreau were 3rd and 4th round picks, both 23 when they signed their contracts. It's hard to predict what the length of the contract will be, but personally I'd say those averages are the best evidence for predicting Point's extension.
Feb. 26, 2019 at 5:05 a.m.
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Good analysis .. however I would normalize for time .. Stamkos was years ago .. and contract inflation due to salary cap increases .. adds over 25% and approaches 9M
Feb. 27, 2019 at 5:07 a.m.
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Quoting: BOLTLOVER1
Good analysis .. however I would normalize for time .. Stamkos was years ago .. and contract inflation due to salary cap increases .. adds over 25% and approaches 9M


That's a good point, however if you look at the cap hit %, its increasing at a much slower rate than the cap ceiling. 15-20% cap hit % used to be a common range for young star players, but nowadays (with the exception of McDavid and Matthew's tax rate inflated deals) the highest % might barely touch 10%, most being less and continue to decrease.

Gaudreau-... (6.75m cap hit)....(contract started 2016-17 @ 73m cap ceiling)........ cap hit%- (9.246%)
Kane-............ (6.3m cap hit)......(contract started 2010-11 @ 59.4m cap ceiling)..... cap hit%- (10.606%)
Stamkos-...... (7.5m cap hit)......(contract started 2011-12 @ 64.3m cap ceiling)..... cap hit%- (11.664%)

If Pointer's cap hit % matches Stammer's, he'd get 9.68m (based off next years cap ceiling projection 83m)
If Pointer's cap hit % matches Kaner's, he'd get 8.8m
If Pointer's cap hit % matches Gaudreau's, he'd get 7.67m

TORONTO signed Matthews @ 11.634m x 5 yr...... (11.634m = 14.63% this year / 14.01% next year)
TAMPA could've signed Matthews 8.6m x 5 yr and he would've had MORE post tax earnings..... (8.6m = 10.81% this year / 10.36% next year)

So unless you think Pointer deserves Matthew's salary (he's certainly making his best case this year to prove he is deserving), 8.6m in Tampa would be overpaying, let alone 9.5m. But if you do think he deserves Matthews money, I can't see any case being made for him being worth much more than him, if any amount more. Playoffs could change that.

I still think 7-7.5m tops for Pointer. Time will tell.
 
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