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Leddy to any team except the one you picked

Just curious how that is fair value for Leddy... If I were MTL, I'd maybe pay a first, but nothing more.

Leddy is a Top 4 (Possibly Top 2) Puck moving, Excellent skating LHD who is signed to a reasonable deal with 3 more years. That value is absolutely fair, only thing I would do is change the 2020 1st to a 2021 1st only because the draft is in Montreal in 2020 and they will probably want a 1st in that draft just because.

I'd like to see some other than an Isles fan agree with you here though. What I see is an offensive defenseman with a tad under 70 points and combined plus/minus of -42 from last two seasons.

Players like Barrie and Ghost are better in both statistics, and even them are not getting that kind of return.

Nah, Leddy is what he said. Top-4 LHD speedster. Really good offensively. Struggles defensively at times which is why a pairing with Boychuk (or someone similar) is so crucial. He did improve a lot in that department last season in Trotz's system. I'd love to keep Leddy but realistically he's our best trade chip. Devon Toews is basically his clone on an ELC. Makes sense to move Leddy for quality assets

LOL... meaning you want to hear from someone who agrees with your opinion of Leddy.

For comparison's sake, Barrie is a UFA after next season and will likely command a large payday after that, but being a UFA will hinder the return he gets, but still pretty sure he'll return a 1st rounder pick plus if he's traded this offseason.

Trouba, who had his first over 40 point season last year and is also a UFA after next season just got a 1st round and a prospect without an extension (would have been a heck of a lot more had they agreed to an extension)

Ghost has had 2 over 40 point seasons in his career and, additionally, has had 2 seasons where is a was minus more than 20 points in +/- and the only people who think he can be had for nothing are Habs fans.

Leddy on the other hand, just had a 42 point +/- swing to the better and had a 0 plus minus. He ony had a -42 last year because of the offensive system Weight had in place, which had the Isles as the worst defensive team in the league. And, even in a defensive first system, where all Isles offensive stats were down, Leddy was ony 16 points off his career high of 42.

No. I want common opinion, don't biased fan's opinion.

Also if Leddy is that good, you should just keep him. Clearly he's so freaking good moving him no matter what will hurt your team...

That I agree with. But I'm still questioning his value.

Tatar is a great example. Just as Leddy is a TOP4 D, Tatar's a TOP6 LW. Their value is close to the equal. VGK paid that exact amount, and it was widely considered as a high overpayment.

I don't see teams doing the same mistake with Leddy.

Devon Toews assumes that role. It's not that moving him is a must. But we aren't selling low for the sake of moving him.

As has been stated multiple times now, Isles are moving Leddy because they can get value for him AND we have someone ready to replace him on a cheaper contract OR because we signed Panarin and Bobrovsky in UFA and need the CAP space for next season. Leddy is NOT being moved because he is bad or we don't want him.

I may be wrong here, but I don't seem to recall there being much chatter about Vegas overpaying for Tatar.

I think there was. Maybe not after the DET trade, but at least back then when Tatar was moved to MTL. Essentially VGK moved Suzuki, first, two seconds and third for Pacioretty.

Clearly his value got much lower than what it was.

So, Vegas severely overpaid for Pacioretty, not Tatar. And, if I'm not mistaken, Tatar had a terrible time in Vegas (5pts in like 20-25 games or something like that), which is why he was shipped to MTL in the Pacioretty trade.

And, regardless of whether Vegas sold him off for less than they got, he had a bounce back season in MTL, which boosts his value back up.

Yeah, Tatar's value is now higher than ever.

But still, no one is paying 1st, 2nd and 3rd for him again.

Would you do Tatar for Leddy?

Yes. That'd benefit both teams.

I agree. But need to see what shakes out with UFA first. Isles may need straight up cap space.

Then you just agreed to trade Tatar for a 1st, 2nd and 3rd lol

I'd suggest some reading lessons for you, mate. Leddy for Tatar swap works well, but neither of them is worth 1st, 2nd and 3rd. Teams are not doing that same mistake again.

I was having a little fun with you based off what the OP used as compensation for Leddy, relax. I wouldn't be surprised if Leddy pulled back a 1st, 2nd and 3rd in picks alone, but I also wouldn't be surprised if he pulled back a 1st and a 2nd or a 1st and a prospect. Once the FA LHD are off the board, there aren't many other options besides Leddy... teams could get in a bidding war for him, upping his return.

That's a big if. It's very circumstantial situation.

However, after seeing the returns superior D-men like Subban or Trouba got, I wouldn't be surprised to see him go for a 2nd rounder only.

Please note that I'm not saying that it is fair value. Trades just seem to be extremely weird right now.

Those two trades are completely different scenarios... the Preds wanted to move Subban to clear CAP space to make a run at Duchene and were looking for a team to take the FULL CAP hit, which NJ did, so they were willing to take less back in value to get the CAP space.

Trouba was traded with only this year under contract. Had an extension been agreed upon with the Rangers, the return would have been MUCH more than what they gave up.

Leddy is already signed for 3 more years at a reasonable CAP hit for a Top 4 puck moving LHD.

True.

Although someone might argue that the biggest reason for NYI to move Leddy is to save money for other contracts, like Panarin for instance.

That way the situation is not THAT much different.

The biggest difference is that NYI doesn't have to do that, but WPG and NSH were pretty much forced to do those moves.

Exactly. Even if we sign Panarin and Bobrovsky, we don't HAVE to move Leddy this year, most likely will next offseason to sign Barzal, Pulock and Toews, so we don't have to see low on him just yet. Our biggest reason to move Leddy this season is because he is our most valuable asset, that we are willing to trade. We have 2 defensemen on ELCs that are NHL ready (Toews and Aho) and Toews is already scheduled to take Leddy's spot next season as the #1 LHD.