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Getting Marner now comes the cap juggling

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Team: 2020-21 New York Islanders
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 5, 2019
Published: Jul. 5, 2019
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Assuming a $3M cap increase

Really only two moves need to be made the year following Marner: Boychuk and _____. (I chose Komarov)

Ladd could certainly be traded too - but I held him (and buried in minors) as a WORST case scenario and wait for Seattle expansion. But if we can move him next year this becomes even easier.
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
1$925,000
3$925,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
7$12,500,000
1$1,000,000
1$1,500,000
5$8,750,000
7$6,000,000
5$3,000,000
1$1,000,000
1$1,000,000
1$925,000
1$925,000
1$925,000
Offer Sheets
Offer sheet annual average (AAV) is calculated by dividing the contract value by the lower of: 1. The contract length, or 2. Five years
PLAYERAAVCOMPENSATION
Marner, Mitchell$17,500,000
2020 1st round pick
2021 1st round pick
2022 1st round pick
2023 1st round pick
Trades
1.
NYI
  1. 2020 1st round pick (STL)
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STL
  1. Leddy, Nick
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Trade completed last year
2.
NYI
  1. 2021 3rd round pick (VGK)
DET
  1. Hickey, Thomas
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Trade completed last year
Any team
3.
NYI
    Someone will take 2 years of $6M for an inducement. Boychuk has an 8 team "yes" trade list and I use EDM as the example because that is where he's from
    EDM
    1. Boychuk, Johnny
    2. Dal Colle, Michael
    3. 2020 2nd round pick (NYI)
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    NYI
    1. 2022 5th round pick (OTT)
    OTT
    1. Komarov, Leo
    2. Mayfield, Scott
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    Buyouts
    Buried
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    2021
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    2022
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$84,500,000$81,908,333$0$1,570,000$2,591,667
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
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    $7,000,000$7,000,000
    LW
    NTC
    UFA - 6
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    $8,750,000$8,750,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 3
    $12,500,000$12,500,000
    RW
    UFA - 5
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $1,500,000$1,500,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $6,000,000$6,000,000
    C, LW
    NTC
    UFA - 5
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $5,500,000$5,500,000
    RW
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    RW, LW, C
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $786,666$786,666 (Performance Bonus$100,000$100K)
    LW, RW, C
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$537,500$538K)
    RW
    RFA - 3
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    $894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
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    $3,350,000$3,350,000
    C
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $3,500,000$3,500,000
    RW
    UFA - 2
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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    $3,000,000$3,000,000
    LD
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $6,000,000$6,000,000
    RD
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    G
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $1,600,000$1,600,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$537,500$538K)
    RD
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $925,000$925,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $1,000,000$1,000,000
    LD
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $764,167$764,167 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
    RD
    UFA - 3
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $1,000,000$1,000,000
    RW, C
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $700,000$700,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $925,000$925,000
    LD
    UFA - 2

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    Jul. 5, 2019 at 12:37 p.m.
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    Seems all well and good until you get to Barzal. If Marner is getting $12.5, I don't see any way Barzal gets less. And even at Matthews' AAV as comp, the Isles are still in trouble. Also, what the heck happened to Andrew Ladd?
    Jul. 5, 2019 at 12:37 p.m.
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    As a leaf fan you can happily take him
    Jul. 5, 2019 at 12:41 p.m.
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    If Marner gets 12.5 Barzal isn't taking that little
    Jul. 5, 2019 at 1:05 p.m.
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    Seems all well and good until you get to Barzal. If Marner is getting $12.5, I don't see any way Barzal gets less. And even at Matthews' AAV as comp, the Isles are still in trouble. Also, what the heck happened to Andrew Ladd?


    I have him buried in the AHL. Didn't want the "he won't be injured" comments meanwhile Robidas was "hurt" for how long? Lol. Ideally we can move him before expansion but if not that's how I got rid of him
    Jul. 5, 2019 at 1:08 p.m.
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    Quoting: JohnTavares91
    If Marner gets 12.5 Barzal isn't taking that little


    Quoting: MG1986
    Seems all well and good until you get to Barzal. If Marner is getting $12.5, I don't see any way Barzal gets less. And even at Matthews' AAV as comp, the Isles are still in trouble. Also, what the heck happened to Andrew Ladd?


    As for Barzal - his next deal totally depends on this season. If Isles again are forced to play more defensive minded because of Trotz, Barzal’s numbers likely arent approaching his rookie year. I think a 5 year bridge won't sniff double digits
    Jul. 5, 2019 at 1:08 p.m.
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    I have him buried in the AHL. Didn't want the "he won't be injured" comments meanwhile Robidas was "hurt" for how long? Lol. Ideally we can move him before expansion but if not that's how I got rid of him


    So the Isles are spending at least $4.5 million of cap space on Ladd, who I can't see reporting to an AHL team. So, the Isles would have to buy him or out, or keep him on their NHL roster. To get rid of him at the expansion draft, it will probably cost the Isles a Marleau level offering like the 1st rounder the Leafs gave the Canes.
    Jul. 5, 2019 at 1:10 p.m.
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    As for Barzal - his next deal totally depends on this season. If Isles again are forced to play more defensive minded because of Trotz, Barzal’s numbers likely arent approaching his rookie year. I think a 5 year bridge won't sniff double digits


    The Isles set a terrible precedent by offersheeting Marner for that kind of money, both internally for their own players, and around the league. I will leave it at that. As an Isles fan, I would be paying close attention to what happens with Brayden Point.
    Jul. 5, 2019 at 1:13 p.m.
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    So the Isles are spending at least $4.5 million of cap space on Ladd, who I can't see reporting to an AHL team. So, the Isles would have to buy him or out, or keep him on their NHL roster. To get rid of him at the expansion draft, it will probably cost the Isles a Marleau level offering like the 1st rounder the Leafs gave the Canes.


    If he doesn't report isn't his contract eventually voided? He doesn't have a NMC. Only a M-NTC by this point. And yeah I'm expecting to have to give something up to shed him but that's fine
    Jul. 5, 2019 at 1:14 p.m.
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    As a leaf fan you can happily take him


    And I'm sure he'll get a standing ovation when he returns. right? Lol
    Jul. 5, 2019 at 1:16 p.m.
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    The Isles set a terrible precedent by offersheeting Marner for that kind of money, both internally for their own players, and around the league. I will leave it at that. As an Isles fan, I would be paying close attention to what happens with Brayden Point.


    Marner is leaps and bounds better than anyone on the roster, except maybe Barzal at some point. But not today. I like of like the anarchy that offersheets cause. Could it come around and bite the Islanders? Of course there is a chance. But gotta do what you have to in order to win. That solves everything. If I'm Lou/Barry and I think that the Isles should at least win a playoff round (likely) than those picks are in the mid 20s to begin with. 4 of those are definitely worth Marner
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    Jul. 5, 2019 at 1:17 p.m.
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    I have him buried in the AHL. Didn't want the "he won't be injured" comments meanwhile Robidas was "hurt" for how long? Lol. Ideally we can move him before expansion but if not that's how I got rid of him


    The leafs will send you Ceci for Komarov and Mayfield. I know you are moving them for cap space, you can just let Ceci walk and we'll kick in the 5th that you are getting. Deal?
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    Jul. 5, 2019 at 1:18 p.m.
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    Quoting: joshelkin
    And I'm sure he'll get a standing ovation when he returns. right? Lol


    Probably be a mixed reaction
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    Jul. 5, 2019 at 1:20 p.m.
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    If he doesn't report isn't his contract eventually voided? He doesn't have a NMC. Only a M-NTC by this point. And yeah I'm expecting to have to give something up to shed him but that's fine


    Yes, if his contract is sent to the minors, as long as he clears, and because he only has a NTC, and not a NMC, his consent is not needed to be sent or assigned to the minor league. In which case, should he not report, the Isles can void the contract. However, I think there would be a ton of league pressure there.
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    Jul. 5, 2019 at 1:21 p.m.
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    And I'm sure he'll get a standing ovation when he returns. right? Lol


    I said this on another thread. I would give Mitch a standing ovation(no hard feelings honestly).Iif you offer sheet Mitch, you will all love him, he's a very fun and exciting hockey player to watch\have on your team. Just not worth the money. imho
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    Jul. 5, 2019 at 1:22 p.m.
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    Marner is leaps and bounds better than anyone on the roster, except maybe Barzal at some point. But not today. I like of like the anarchy that offersheets cause. Could it come around and bite the Islanders? Of course there is a chance. But gotta do what you have to in order to win. That solves everything. If I'm Lou/Barry and I think that the Isles should at least win a playoff round (likely) than those picks are in the mid 20s to begin with. 4 of those are definitely worth Marner


    But without Lehner, is your goaltending still rock-solid? I am not sure. The Isles got into the playoffs because of Robin Lehner.
    Jul. 5, 2019 at 1:23 p.m.
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    The leafs will send you Ceci for Komarov and Mayfield. I know you are moving them for cap space, you can just let Ceci walk and we'll kick in the 5th that you are getting. Deal?


    I would make that deal, sure.
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    Jul. 5, 2019 at 1:24 p.m.
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    Marner is leaps and bounds better than anyone on the roster, except maybe Barzal at some point. But not today. I like of like the anarchy that offersheets cause. Could it come around and bite the Islanders? Of course there is a chance. But gotta do what you have to in order to win. That solves everything. If I'm Lou/Barry and I think that the Isles should at least win a playoff round (likely) than those picks are in the mid 20s to begin with. 4 of those are definitely worth Marner


    All very true, except the leafs would likely use those pics in trades to improve the team now oppose to keeping them and using them to draft players.
    Jul. 5, 2019 at 1:25 p.m.
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    Quoting: MG1986
    But without Lehner, is your goaltending still rock-solid? I am not sure. The Isles got into the playoffs because of Robin Lehner.


    Yes and no. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Robin and always will. But a lot of what we saw was a combination of Barry Trotz's defensive system and magic of Mitch Korn. Thomas Greiss put up virtually the same numbers in the regular season (almost identical - kinda creepy). But we remember Lehner because of the playoffs. Greiss was just as rock solid - so I'm not overly concerned. I don't like Varlamov's term but I expect a big rebound in this same system. Could the Isles have taken a step back in goaltending? I guess it's possible. But I truly believe its not as significant as you think it might be
    Jul. 5, 2019 at 1:26 p.m.
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    Quoting: Whatitdobaby
    Probably be a mixed reaction


    No, Mitch Marner will 100% get boo'ed if he is offer-sheeted by another team, which is not matched by Toronto. Remember, it is as much on the player as it is on the team putting forth the offer sheet. The player has to want to play there, so there is at least some proactive steps the player has to take to make that whole process happen. I think for the most part, Leaf fans will take away 2 things, the Leafs offered him a very reasonable contract, or several contract alternatives based on term, which he refused, and that he proactively chose to deal with another team over what he has, in the media, called his favourite team and home town team.
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    All very true, except the leafs would likely use those pics in trades to improve the team now oppose to keeping them and using them to draft players.


    Yeah I would expect them to. And that's fine by me. What TOR decides to do with the picks at that point is their problem lol. I'm gonna happily take Marner and continue to build on what we've got going
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    Jul. 5, 2019 at 1:26 p.m.
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    As for Barzal - his next deal totally depends on this season. If Isles again are forced to play more defensive minded because of Trotz, Barzal’s numbers likely arent approaching his rookie year. I think a 5 year bridge won't sniff double digits


    Barzal's numbers will spike up if playing with Mitch
    Jul. 5, 2019 at 1:27 p.m.
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    I would make that deal, sure.


    I think its a win winsmile
    Jul. 5, 2019 at 1:27 p.m.
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    Quoting: MG1986
    Yes, if his contract is sent to the minors, as long as he clears, and because he only has a NTC, and not a NMC, his consent is not needed to be sent or assigned to the minor league. In which case, should he not report, the Isles can void the contract. However, I think there would be a ton of league pressure there.


    Ehh Lou doesn't ever seem to care about pressure. We've seen plenty of career NHLers get sent down to exile before. Such is life unfortunately
    Jul. 5, 2019 at 1:28 p.m.
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    Barzal's numbers will spike up if playing with Mitch


    Yeah, I think you'll definitely see a spike. But are they both 100 pt players? I'm not sure. I still have $2.5M in space on this ACGM so Barzal could have a higher AAV. I just thought a middle-tier bridge at 5 years just under $9m made sense. Matthews got 11.6M for the same term and he's the far superior player. We aren't that far off
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    Jul. 5, 2019 at 1:30 p.m.
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    Quoting: MG1986
    No, Mitch Marner will 100% get boo'ed if he is offer-sheeted by another team, which is not matched by Toronto. Remember, it is as much on the player as it is on the team putting forth the offer sheet. The player has to want to play there, so there is at least some proactive steps the player has to take to make that whole process happen. I think for the most part, Leaf fans will take away 2 things, the Leafs offered him a very reasonable contract, or several contract alternatives based on term, which he refused, and that he proactively chose to deal with another team over what he has, in the media, called his favourite team and home town team.


    Quoting: joshelkin
    Yeah I would expect them to. And that's fine by me. What TOR decides to do with the picks at that point is their problem lol. I'm gonna happily take Marner and continue to build on what we've got going


    That’s why I think their will be a mixed I think people will be mad he “betrayed” the leafs and I think some will realize he went to a contract that’s best for him which is his right.

    And I think both teams will come out winners if this happens because it allows Toronto to resign a couple ufas and gives them assets to trade to continue to get better but for nyi I think it helps them now but down the road with 4 years of no top picks you could see the depth come back to bite them depending on how they draft in the later rounds
     
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