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Offensive help needed

Created by: BurgerBoss
Initial Creation Date: Jan 18, 2020
Published: Jan 18 at 10:51 pm
Team: 2019-20 Dallas Stars
Team Explanation
DAL is 14th in goals in the Western Conference. We need scoring help.
Trades
DAL
  1. Palmieri, Kyle
  2. Vatanen, Sami ($2,437,500 retained)
  3. 2020 4th round pick (BOS)
  4. 2020 7th round pick (NJD)
NJD
  1. Sekera, Andrej
  2. Comeau, Blake
  3. Eriksson, Albin [Reserve List]
  4. Damiani, Riley
  5. 2020 1st round pick (DAL)
Buyouts
  • Valeri Nichushkin: $700,000
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
DAL
BOS
DAL
DAL
NJD
2021
DAL
DAL
DAL
DAL
DAL
DAL
DAL
2022
DAL
DAL
DAL
DAL
DAL
DAL
DAL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$77,424,165$932,500$5,100,000$4,075,835
Left WingCenterRight Wing
DAL
Dickinson, Jason
$1,500,000
C
RFA - 2
DAL
Seguin, Tyler
$9,850,000
C, RW
NMC
UFA - 8
NJD
Palmieri, Kyle
$4,650,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 2
DAL
Benn, Jamie
$9,500,000
LW
NMC
UFA - 6
DAL
Hintz, Roope
$811,667
C, LW
RFA - 1
DAL
Radulov, Alexander
$6,250,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 3
DAL
Gurianov, Denis
$894,166
LW
RFA - 1
DAL
Pavelski, Joe
$7,000,000
RW, C
NMC
UFA - 3
DAL
Perry, Corey
$1,500,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 1
DAL
Janmark, Mattias
$2,300,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
DAL
Faksa, Radek
$2,200,000
C
RFA - 1
DAL
Cogliano, Andrew
$3,250,000
LW, RW, C
NTC
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
DAL
Heiskanen, Miro
$894,166
LD
RFA - 2
DAL
Klingberg, John
$4,250,000
RD
UFA - 3
DAL
Bishop, Ben
$4,916,666
G
NMC
UFA - 4
DAL
Lindell, Esa
$5,800,000
LD
UFA - 6
NJD
Vatanen, Sami
$0
LD
UFA - 1
DAL
Khudobin, Anton
$2,500,000
G
UFA - 1
DAL
Oleksiak, Jamie
$2,137,500
LD
UFA - 2
DAL
Johns, Stephen
$2,350,000
RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
DAL
Polák, Roman
$1,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
DAL
Hanzal, Martin
$4,750,000
C
NTC
UFA - 1
DAL
Dowling, Justin
$750,000
C
UFA - 2
DAL
Fedun, Taylor
$737,500
RD
UFA - 2

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Jan 18 at 10:54
#1
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Anything to fix this stupid team.
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Jan 18 at 10:56
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Pony up if you want Kreider.
Jan 18 at 11:00
#3
#DisruptTheNight
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I feel like Hoffman could be a really good fit
Jan 18 at 11:00
#4
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Burgers and Hockey
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Quoting: Hedman77
I feel like Hoffman could be a really good fit


Probably but FLA has no reasons to move him.
Jan 18 at 11:01
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Quoting: NYR_Mike
Pony up if you want Kreider.


What's his cost though
Jan 18 at 11:03
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
What's his cost though


You and i have gone back and forth on this..... you are not giving up a first and you are not giving up robertson.

So what are you giving up? Are you giving up Dellandrea? You have to give something to get something, a 2nd and some fringe AHL players are not getting it done.
Jan 18 at 11:04
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Quoting: NYR_Mike
You and i have gone back and forth on this..... you are not giving up a first and you are not giving up robertson.

So what are you giving up? Are you giving up Dellandrea? You have to give something to get something, a 2nd and some fringe AHL players are not getting it done.


I'm not giving Robertson or Dellandrea, but I'm not opposed on giving the 1st.
Jan 18 at 11:09
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
I'm not giving Robertson or Dellandrea, but I'm not opposed on giving the 1st.


A first and a prospect is the asking price according to Dreger.

Now, that can be flip flopped for a young NHL forward and a mid/lower level pick. NYR are starting to make the motion to start winning meaningful hockey games next year.
Jan 18 at 11:17
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Quoting: NYR_Mike
A first and a prospect is the asking price according to Dreger.

Now, that can be flip flopped for a young NHL forward and a mid/lower level pick. NYR are starting to make the motion to start winning meaningful hockey games next year.


Well I've had this thought of trade as such:

Dallas Stars
Chris Kreider
2020 3rd round pick (DAL)

New York Rangers
Mattias Janmark
Adam Mascherin
Julius Honka
2020 1st round pick (DAL)

How does that sound?
Jan 18 at 11:17
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Jan 18 at 11:22
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
Well I've had this thought of trade as such:

Dallas Stars
Chris Kreider
2020 3rd round pick (DAL)

New York Rangers
Mattias Janmark
Adam Mascherin
Julius Honka
2020 1st round pick (DAL)

How does that sound?


You are offering a lot of quantity and not a lot of quality. It might fit the bill for someone like OTT but not NYR.

The first round pick does not move the needle for me.
Jan 18 at 11:28
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Quoting: NYR_Mike
You are offering a lot of quantity and not a lot of quality. It might fit the bill for someone like OTT but not NYR.

The first round pick does not move the needle for me.


Dunno, there aren't exactly any "spare parts" to that trade that would make it quantity for quality. It's Honka+Mascherin+1st for Kreider and Janmark for a 3rd for cap reasons.

Let's just say that I can't see any team paying any more than that for Kreider, if they're looking to make a profitable deal in exchange to one playoffs of a rental winger... He's not getting the maximum value due to being a pending UFA. For example, players like Evander Kane and Gustav Nyquist were moved for a cheaper price than that...
Jan 18 at 11:36
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
Dunno, there aren't exactly any "spare parts" to that trade that would make it quantity for quality. It's Honka+Mascherin+1st for Kreider and Janmark for a 3rd for cap reasons.

Let's just say that I can't see any team paying any more than that for Kreider, if they're looking to make a profitable deal in exchange to one playoffs of a rental winger... He's not getting the maximum value due to being a pending UFA. For example, players like Evander Kane and Gustav Nyquist were moved for a cheaper price than that...


Honka is more wasteful than Lias Andersson.

Mascherin isnt at a PPG in the AHl ( Not attractive

Mattias Janmark is a bottom 6 player.

the first does not do anything for NYR, you could make the argument that they could flip it for another player but they want immediate talent. Robertson fits the bill, I understand that you do not want to give him up. But NYR would be stupid to not ask for him.
Jan 18 at 11:43
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Quoting: NYR_Mike
Honka is more wasteful than Lias Andersson.

Mascherin isnt at a PPG in the AHl ( Not attractive

Mattias Janmark is a bottom 6 player.

the first does not do anything for NYR, you could make the argument that they could flip it for another player but they want immediate talent. Robertson fits the bill, I understand that you do not want to give him up. But NYR would be stupid to not ask for him.


If you require a prospect to be point per game player in AHL, your expectations are far from realistic. Even Robertson isn't that...

1st rounder does you just the thing every pick does, it gives you a prospect. How it turns out, only time will tell.

Regardless, your demand for the rental winger is far too steep. You can get a 1st and a low prospect for Kreider, tops. No one is paying more than that for a rental winger.

And at the moment I do not see DAL moving Dellandrea, Robertson or Harley for rental players in basically any reasonable circumstances.
Jan 18 at 11:47
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
If you require a prospect to be point per game player in AHL, your expectations are far from realistic. Even Robertson isn't that...

1st rounder does you just the thing every pick does, it gives you a prospect. How it turns out, only time will tell.

Regardless, your demand for the rental winger is far too steep. You can get a 1st and a low prospect for Kreider, tops. No one is paying more than that for a rental winger.

And at the moment I do not see DAL moving Dellandrea, Robertson or Harley for rental players in basically any reasonable circumstances.


I disagree whether you like it or not, Rick nash(who produced less than kreider) cost a b+ prospect in Ryan lindgren who is currently a bottom pair defenseman in the nhl at 21, a first round pick, a good roster player at the tipe in ryan spooner(eventually flipped for ryan strome) and a 1.9 million dollar cap dump.

You may not like it but robertson gets you in the door to talk about kreider.
Jan 19 at 1:28
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Minor trade but Goldobin for Honka?
Jan 19 at 1:34
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Quoting: NYR_Mike
I disagree whether you like it or not, Rick nash(who produced less than kreider) cost a b+ prospect in Ryan lindgren who is currently a bottom pair defenseman in the nhl at 21, a first round pick, a good roster player at the tipe in ryan spooner(eventually flipped for ryan strome) and a 1.9 million dollar cap dump.

You may not like it but robertson gets you in the door to talk about kreider.


BOS paid overprice just due to him being Rick Nash, a great scorer and former 1st overall pick. Didn't he have a super good season just before the year he was moved? Also BOS paid more to get rid of Beleskey and Spooner.

By the same token, the players I used as examples, Kane and Nyquist, had both had a better season than Kreider did, yet their return wasn't as big. Nyquist even at half retained only got a 2nd and 3rd...
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Jan 19 at 1:35
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Quoting: Canucks33
Minor trade but Goldobin for Honka?


I'd probably take it.
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Jan 19 at 1:37
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Jan 19 at 10:35
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Quoting: Canucks33
Minor trade but Goldobin for Honka?


Quoting: BurgerBoss
I'd probably take it.


Maybe ask for like a 5th as well but I’d go for it too
 
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