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simmonds

Created by: Rocket88
Initial Creation Date: Feb 21, 2020
Published: Feb 21 at 1:44 am
Team: 2019-20 Vancouver Canucks
Trades
VAN
  1. Simmonds, Wayne ($2,500,000 retained)
  2. Vatanen, Sami ($2,400,000 retained)
NJD
  1. Stecher, Troy
  2. Baertschi, Sven
  3. Woo, Jett
Buyouts
  • Ryan Spooner: $1,033,333
Recapture Fees
  • Roberto Luongo: $3,033,206
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
ANA
2021
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
2022
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$76,001,540$0$4,762,500$5,498,460
Left WingCenterRight Wing
VAN
Miller, J.T.
$5,250,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 4
VAN
Pettersson, Elias
$925,000
C
RFA - 2
NJD
Simmonds, Wayne
$0
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 1
VAN
Pearson, Tanner
$3,750,000
LW
UFA - 2
VAN
Horvat, Bo
$5,500,000
C
UFA - 4
VAN
Toffoli, Tyler
$4,600,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
VAN
Roussel, Antoine
$3,000,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 3
VAN
Gaudette, Adam
$916,667
C
RFA - 1
VAN
Virtanen, Jake
$1,250,000
RW
RFA - 1
VAN
Motte, Tyler
$975,000
RW, LW, C
RFA - 1
VAN
Beagle, Jay
$3,000,000
C
NTC
UFA - 3
VAN
Sutter, Brandon
$4,375,000
RW, C
NTC
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
VAN
Edler, Alexander
$6,000,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 2
VAN
Tanev, Christopher
$4,450,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
VAN
Markström, Jacob
$3,666,667
G
UFA - 1
VAN
Hughes, Quinn
$916,667
LD
RFA - 2
VAN
Rafferty, Brogan
$700,000
RD
RFA - 2
VAN
Demko, Thatcher
$1,050,000
G
RFA - 2
VAN
Benn, Jordie
$2,000,000
LD
UFA - 2
VAN
Myers, Tyler
$6,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 5
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
NJD
Vatanen, Sami
$37,500
LD
UFA - 1
VAN
Fantenberg, Oscar
$850,000
LD
UFA - 1
VAN
Leivo, Josh
$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
VAN
MacEwen, Zack
$847,500
C, RW
RFA - 1
VAN
Boeser, Brock
$5,875,000
RW
RFA - 3
VAN
Ferland, Micheal
$3,500,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 4
VAN
Eriksson, Loui
$6,000,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 3

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Feb 21 at 2:00
#1
Yee
Joined: Jul 2019
Posts: 216
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We are robbing the devil's in this trade. Holy sheeet
Feb 21 at 6:48
#2
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 988
Likes: 231
The market rate on a retained Vatanen will likely be somewhere around 2nd + B+ prospect or two 2nds (or possibly late 1st). For Simmons retained, it is likely a 3rd round pick or 4th round pick and low-end prospect.

But if VAN is insistent on (a) keeping picks and (b) shedding as much salary as possible, the competitive offer would be something like:

Simmons (50%) ... for.... Woo or Juolevi
Vats (50%) along with taking bad contract (Baertschi) ... for ... Podkolzin, Hoglander

so these types of deals....

a. Baerschti / Woo / Podkolzin
b. Baerschti / Juolevi / Podkolzin
c. Baerschti / Woo / Hoglander
d. Baerschti / Juolevi / Hoglander

I'd think in each of those scenarios, NJD would probably add mid-round pick to balance (2021 3rd or 2020 4th)
Feb 21 at 7:08
#3
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 2,253
Likes: 453
Quoting: NHLfan10506
The market rate on a retained Vatanen will likely be somewhere around 2nd + B+ prospect or two 2nds (or possibly late 1st). For Simmons retained, it is likely a 3rd round pick or 4th round pick and low-end prospect.

But if VAN is insistent on (a) keeping picks and (b) shedding as much salary as possible, the competitive offer would be something like:

Simmons (50%) ... for.... Woo or Juolevi
Vats (50%) along with taking bad contract (Baertschi) ... for ... Podkolzin, Hoglander

so these types of deals....

a. Baerschti / Woo / Podkolzin
b. Baerschti / Juolevi / Podkolzin
c. Baerschti / Woo / Hoglander
d. Baerschti / Juolevi / Hoglander

I'd think in each of those scenarios, NJD would probably add mid-round pick to balance (2021 3rd or 2020 4th)


Does Simmonds at 50% off and Baertschi for Woo work then? It's kinda a hybrid of what you did above.
Feb 21 at 7:16
#4
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 988
Likes: 231
Quoting: Smitty426
Does Simmonds at 50% off and Baertschi for Woo work then? It's kinda a hybrid of what you did above.


I was thinking Simmons (50%) alone gets Woo or Juolevi. (Simmons worth 4th rounder, so Simmons with retention is close in value to 3rd rounder)

And Vats (50%) gets Baerschti + A-prospect. (if Vats is worth 2nd rounder, Vats retained plus taking Baerschti is close in value to high 1st rounder)
Feb 21 at 7:41
#5
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 2,253
Likes: 453
Quoting: NHLfan10506
I was thinking Simmons (50%) alone gets Woo or Juolevi. (Simmons worth 4th rounder, so Simmons with retention is close in value to 3rd rounder)

And Vats (50%) gets Baerschti + A-prospect. (if Vats is worth 2nd rounder, Vats retained plus taking Baerschti is close in value to high 1st rounder)


Agreed
I'd like Woo, seems like the type of guy we are missing. I was hoping they hit a homerun moving Vats (late first was the idea) but that's looking less likely now with the foot injury. We have space so taking on Baertschi if it pushes it over I don't think it would hurt, but sure send Jett over, I'll tell Train to pack his s#!t
Feb 21 at 7:51
#6
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 2,253
Likes: 453
Quoting: NHLfan10506
The market rate on a retained Vatanen will likely be somewhere around 2nd + B+ prospect or two 2nds (or possibly late 1st). For Simmons retained, it is likely a 3rd round pick or 4th round pick and low-end prospect.

But if VAN is insistent on (a) keeping picks and (b) shedding as much salary as possible, the competitive offer would be something like:

Simmons (50%) ... for.... Woo or Juolevi
Vats (50%) along with taking bad contract (Baertschi) ... for ... Podkolzin, Hoglander

so these types of deals....

a. Baerschti / Woo / Podkolzin
b. Baerschti / Juolevi / Podkolzin
c. Baerschti / Woo / Hoglander
d. Baerschti / Juolevi / Hoglander

I'd think in each of those scenarios, NJD would probably add mid-round pick to balance (2021 3rd or 2020 4th)


Is Podkolzin available? Didn't you guys just draft him? Is there such a need for a Vats like you posted (A) ?
Feb 21 at 8:22
#7
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 988
Likes: 231
Quoting: Smitty426
Is Podkolzin available? Didn't you guys just draft him? Is there such a need for a Vats like you posted (A) ?


Well, I do not speak for VAN, to be clear.

But from what I understand, they have little cap to play with...and don't want to deal any more picks...and don't want to deal any young players from their roster. So in order to get a package like Vats (50%), Simmons (50%), and NJD to take bad contract....they'll need to put a pretty large prospect on the table. Podkolzin and Hoglander are their A-prospects....so thats how I came to that conclusion. I guess some probably still view Juolevi as A-prospect, but their are mixed feelings on that one. The rest are B's or below.

Would love to hear some VAN fans thoughts
Feb 21 at 1:51
#8
Thread Starter
Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 170
Likes: 9
I think y'all undervalue Stetcher.
 
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