I don’t have any issues with Marner’s skillset. He is fantastic & produces, but he seems to be playing with fear, plus his cap hit is too big. They may have no other choice.

Do you and @MitchMarnerElite really objectively think his contract sucks for a 22 year old who puts up say 100 points a year?

Question#1 Do you think playing with Austin Matthews might have something to do with your perceptions about Marner?

The Leafs have lots of other options to manage their Cap even if Marner is slightly over-paid and would really encourage you to provide us all with some alternative options instead of always bashing Marner.

It’s definitely not a good. If he took 9, it would’ve been a better circumstance.

Yeah I think he has to play differently with Matthews & had to simplify his game to playing more without the puck, so he needed time to adjust to that, but its not really about his play. Mitch is my favourite player but I can’t envision him winning a cup after signing that big comtract.

When Matthews walks as a UFA before Marner's contract expires are you really going to be questioning his contract.

If it is not about his play, why do you constantly take shots at his play.

I never took shots at his play. I always said he was an elite.



Ya his contract is very bad. You know it is a bad contract when it brings down the player's trade value.

I think his true value is 9.5Mx6. I'd be okay with a slight overpay at 10M but at almost 11M it starts turn bad.

At 11-11.5M we should have gotten 8 years. At 10-10.5M we should have gotten 7 years.

If he wanted a bridge deal 8Mx3 would have been fair compared to what other RFAs got (Tkachuk at 7M, Point at 6.75M)

We also overpaid for Matthews but he is a franchise player (1st overall draft pick that lived up to the hype)

I did not questioned you for taking shots at Marner's play.

Are we all really that worried that maybe Marner was overpaid slightly when all indications at the time of the signing was that the Cap was going to be increased. I feel too many people on CapFriendly are over worrying about costs and not looking at the benefits of the signing. We are talking about a 22 year old player who is on pace to putting up to close to 100 points a year who also plays 5X5, PP and PK.

Have you also ever considered that if you want to keep Matthews really happy on the Leafs that you also keep Marner happy and committed on the team for the long-term. You may have a different opinion of Marner after the Leafs with Tavares, Matthews, Nylander, Marner and Rielly win some cups because it is going to happen.

I meant I don’t have an issue with his skillset, but he’s not playing with much fire this season & seems extremely tentative. I just can’t see the team managing to hang onto him next season with the cap going down. They may have to buy him out. They’ll end up exposing him to Seatle anyway.

Are we all really that worried that maybe Marner was overpaid slightly when all indications at the time of the signing was that the Cap was going to be increased. I feel too many people on CapFriendly are over worrying about costs and not looking at the benefits of the signing. We are talking about a 22 year old player who is on pace to putting up to close to 100 points a year who also plays 5X5, PP and PK.[/quote]

These are not benefits of the signing they are benefits of drafting the player. I'd let Marner sit for a season to get him on an extra year of term or 1.5M less AAV.



I bet Matthews would take Marner off the team for an extra 0.5M AAV.

These are not benefits of the signing they are benefits of drafting the player. I'd let Marner sit for a season to get him on an extra year of term or 1.5M less AAV.

So you want to blow up team because of 1 contract that you think was over-paid?

I bet Matthews would take Marner off the team for an extra 0.5M AAV.[/quote]

So you think Matthews would really want to have Marner off the team for an extra .5M AAV even though Marner is going to help him score atleast 50 goals a year?

So you think Matthews would really want to have Marner off the team for an extra .5M AAV even though Marner is going to help him score atleast 50 goals a year?[/quote]

Matthews could score 50+ goals with Nylander as well.

I'm not saying blow the team up, in fact if they want to keep Marner they will lose more players (Kerfoot and Johnsson at a minimum). I'm just saying to move one valuable but overpaid piece for an upgrade on D.

Matthews could score 50+ goals with Nylander as well.

I'm not saying blow the team up, in fact if they want to keep Marner they will lose more players (Kerfoot and Johnsson at a minimum). I'm just saying to move one valuable but overpaid piece for an upgrade on D.[/quote]

I think Johnsson is the odd man out with the emergence of Mikehev to free up more cap space.

It's not enough space with the cap not going up. Muzzin, Engvall, Dermott, Campbell all getting raises.

Mikheyev had 0.59 PPG how cheap do you think you'll get him 2M? That's only 1.4M in savings...

We have no top pairing RHD unless you trust Dermott with the job. Liljegren on the bottom pairing means top pairing RHD and Holl is gonna have to play about 22 minutes a game each.

If we don't move one of the big 4 we're just gonna have a much worse version of this year's roster.

Tavares - NMC
Nylander - his contract isn't even that big
Matthews - 50 goal scorer
Marner - talented but overpaid RW (where we have lots of depth)

Marner costs more than Kerfoot, Johnsson, Kapanen, Engvall and Mikheyev combined if you account that you'll have to replace them with 700k players.

I'd rather keep all those guys than trade 3/5 of them.

I think Johnsson is being moved out for draft picks and Dermott being elevated to top pairing RD with Rielly. If anyone else has to go, it will be Kerfoot.

I rather move Marner and have a solid D core than move Johnsson and Kerfoot and have weak D core.

There is no chance Dubas will move Marner and Leafs defence core is alot better than you are giving them credit.