No from Buffalo

more like a HELL NO from MTL

Ok pal

No from the Habs. Domi, Poehling, Suzuki and a first is more than the Oilers got for Gretzky. ( Oilers got Jimmy Carson, Martin Gelinas, round 1 pick in the 1989 draft (Jason Miller), round 1 pick in the 1991 draft (Martin Rucinsky), round 1 pick in the 1993 draft (Nick Stajduhar) and cash, while L.A. got Gretzky, Mike Krushelnyski and Marty McSorley).

I think Eichel is a fine player, but he's not Gretzky. He's not even the best in his division.

I think I get what you're trying to do with the Vegas and Minny trades by adding some grit and toughness on our 4th line but those trades are completely unfair for MTL.
Byron is a two time 20 goal scorer and while he's been injury prone the last couple of years, he still has above average speed and PK abilities to go on top of his work ethic and leadership. Need more coming MTL way in that trade.
Hudon and a 2nd for Reaves is just completely insane. Reaves alone isn't worth a 2nd., and adding a much younger Hudon isn't what the habs need. Hudon is a guy who can score (at both levels) for some reason Julien has it in for him because of his defensive game but given the chance and regular playing time I truly believe he can regular contribute 10g, 25-30 pts a season on a 4th line. Add to that Reaves costs double of what Hudon costs now and is much older and way past his prime.

I don't think we need grit and toughness of this calibre on the team. In fact, if anything has been proven over the last few years is that the game is changing and while grit and toughness is still welcomed, it needs to be complemented with other skills. I think our young guys stepping up in the next year to two years will be able to fill these shoes. Guys like Evans, Poehling, Fleury, Brook.

really. You are looking at a trade that happend 1000 years ago as a comparison?

The point was simply that few if any players are worth 4 high-value pieces, and certainly not a player who has never shown the ability to carry his team on his shoulders. Picks? Sure. As you can see from the Gretzky trade, most picks never live up to their promise. But Domi and Suzuki are top-liners and Poehling has a long future as a grinder, at very least.

hahah oh brother

Max Domi is a 50 point guy. That is not top line production. 146th in the league in points per game. 126 among forwards. That is not top line production
Suzuki obviously has some talent, but when Jack Eichel was his age, he already had two much better seasons under his belt.
Poehling did not do very well in the AHL this season, and had 2 points in 27 nhl games.
And who knows where the first round pick would be.

+the gretzky trade made sense because the Oilers owner struggled with money. Buffalo has no insentive of trading away an elite franchise centre right now. The team is moving in the right direction and also should not be interested in a trade within their own division like that

LMAO omg. Yeah, let's judge this trade based on something that happened 31 years ago during the cold war. Nice

I'm with you on everything and I'd add that grit can easily be found in free agency as you can see in past years with Cousin or low-cost trades like Dlau, Thompson and Chaput. I'm not saying these guys play the same game that Reaves brings but if you can bring a guy for free that hits, why pay a 2nd for another?
I like you enthusiasm about Hudon, I too think he can become a regular NHLer.

Yup, and before TLAs were a language, too. But the precedent of trading star players hasn't really changed. Other than the bizarre case of Eric Lindros, if you go through the list of players traded in their primes, you'll probably still never find a deal as lopsided as this. Not Patrick Roy, not Cam Neely (sent with round 1 pick in the 1987 draft (Glen Wesley) to Bruins for Barry Pederson), not Joe Thornton (Wayne Primeau, Brad Stuart and Marco Sturm).

I was trying to be polite, but this is a ridiculously crappy trade.

I think Domi can hit 60-70 if he has legit linemates, not linemates like Lehkonen Armia Byron Weal, more like linemates like Drouin Suzuki Armia Kovalchuk (if he signs with Habs). When he hit 70 pts he was playing with Drouin Shaw Armia LEGIT 2nd line players (except Armia (even though he put up almost 2nd line points (was on pace for 42 pts))).

You'll find people giving way more for Eichel

Oh boy, this is definitely a no from Minnesota.

Not anyone who has spent a day in the NHL.

ofc not

Well, yes. if he would be on a line with Draisaitel and McDavid, he could reach 70 points. But so far in his 4 of 4 sasons, he had between 38 and 52 points. Also, you have to consider that he might have had not great linemates in Montreal, but he would get 2nd line minutes in most teams, in some even 3rd. The difference is that guys like Eichel make teammates score points, while Domi needs teammates to score a lot of points

If he was on a line with Drai and McDavid I bet he could hit 80. I still think he could make at least 60 pts

In a Buffalo team that has only have two forwards other than Eichel with more than 30 points?

In BUF he'd probably play with Skinner and Johansson. He could make 50 pts.

How many times did teams make killer proposals for guys like Crosby, Lindstrom, McDavid, etc. that were rejected because those teams weren't interested in trading their star players?

The answer is, you have no idea because those aren't reported. You're only working off of trades that were completed because those teams were interested in trading those players. Buffalo is not interested in trading Eichel. That means if you want to peak any interest, you are going to have to make an offer that so above and beyond that they start to consider it. If that is not worth it to you then great, don't make the offer. But that's what its going to take.

So we agree?

I know that Eichel ain't getting moved and there are probably a lot of offers for him, but if he's getting moved its for double what he's worth

im confused