Nurse's first 71 NHL games have been below replacment level. He hasn't shown anything that should make a GM think he can be a top 4 defensmen in the NHL. Also Stafford and Hartnell are both starting to regress (stafford faster) why would any team keep both? The jets are much worse because of these trades then before. Keep Trouba he is very very good.

First of all, Hartnell is still getting 50 PPY and that is being on the 2nd or 3rd line with less talent than Little/Wheeler. Stafford is a plug in for 1 year. Could really be anyone in that spot.

Second, Trouba hasn't done a whole hell of a lot in the NHL and for what he is expecting to be paid, he isn't worth it! In fact, he regressed last season. Plus, it seems like he wants the hell out of WPG so you might as well get some useful pieces for him.

As for Nurse, being a 5-6 D man on an awful defensive team does not help the growth of a young player. Put him with someone who he can actually learn from and maybe he turns out to be a solid 3-4 guy.

Thats poor player evaluation. Davidson on the same team showed he is becoming a top 4 defensemen. Nurse is not showing that same growth. Nurse wasn't a 5-6 on Edmonton he was a below NHLer. Oilers were also not that bad. Their shot stats improved as the year went on. Sorry but Hartell is regressing. He isn't the same playing he was 2 years ago.., Can he still play a middle 6 role yes but players once regression starts it tends to hit hard so every year becomes a gamble. Now trouba... Go find his numbers away from Mark Stuart the last 2 seasons they are very very good, top pairing good in fact him and big buff last year in the 440 mins they played together were an elite pairing, top 5 in the NHL. PPY can be a misleading stat. It doesn't give any context like usage or ice time. To see how impressive Trouba is go look up Mark Stuart he played big mins with 3 guys in his career... Trouba, Bigg Buff and Chara. His numbers are best with Trouba even as he was aging and regression hit.

Trouba is good but not worth what he wantss

If Trouba would agree to a bridge deal then sure sign away but for 5.5 no way. You say Trouba was better with Buff well just maybe that has something to do with Buff being one of the better D in the league! It's like Panarin, do we really know how good he is...no. Kane was the best player in the league last year so Panarin's stats are likely very inflated. Not saying he isn't good but Kane helped him immensely.

As for Nurse, yes Davidson would be better, just not sure EDM would give him up.

Now to Hartnell. You say he regressed and that I need to take ice-time and role into account, well you don't seem to do that for Hartnell. Hartnell basically played a 3rd line role last year and still put up 49 points. Now put him in Ladd's role with more skilled players! Hartnell will likely have the top line role instead of Connor since Connor is so young so I will edit that part.

Trouba away from Stuart over the last 2 years was preformed as a first pairing defensmen not just with Buff. A lot of smart hockey people have him as a good top pair guy that is being miscast in Winnipeg. Also with Panarin there are stats showing that he had just as big an impact on Kane as Kane had on him (Kane scoring well above his normal rate).

It is basically a moot point on Trouba since he doesn't seem to want to be in WPG anyways which drives down his value.

As far as all the young NHL defensmen under 22 the only 2 I would play more than Trouba is Lindholm and Ekblad. Yes this includes Jones, Rielly and Maata.

Don't get me wrong, I think he is good but I think he wants way to much for what he has produced so far. But some people are stubborn and don't want bridge deals.

As a GM on a young player who has played with a very bad D partner a bridge deal would scare me. That number could end up being very very big. Between 5-5.6 mil based on what other players have signed is what he is worth. You can't really pay Trouba on point production since defensmen points are largely swing on PP time which he doesn't get. His 5vs5 point production is good top 4 good.

I would be fine paying 4.5 for 2 years on a bridge deal and if he proves himself more than he is worth the 6 he wants

He isn't getting 6. If he wants 6 he is sitting out. I think the jets get it done for around 5.6mil(.4mil as a Winnipeg tax) for 5-6 years.

Nurse is younger than Davidson. He played tougher minutes. He played the most amount of minutes out of any rookie in the NHL at 20. Ristolainen looked lost out there his first year also aside from when he had the puck. Nurse will be a top 4 for sure. His physical attributes alone will get him there. I just think he will take longer

Nurse is younger than Davidson. He played tougher minutes. He played the most amount of minutes out of any rookie in the NHL at 20. Ristolainen looked lost out there his first year also aside from when he had the puck. Nurse will be a top 4 for sure. His physical attributes alone will get him there. I just think he will take longer

It is true nurse had harder zone starts but Davidson had worse quality of teammates and a harder quality of competition.

I still think everything WPG got in return for Trouba is worth it. Nurse, Hartnell and 3 3rd Round Picks.

That's fair. I just can't see a team that is going full youth taking on a 34 year olds contract over 4mil for 3 more years. Top 9 forward isn't really a need they have. I also just don't see Nurse becoming a top 4 defenseman.