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Get Young - Get Fast - GMJR is keeping his word from MM Interview - I LOVE IT

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Team: 2020-21 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 25, 2020
Published: Aug. 26, 2020
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+ Why are Pens Fans mad about getting a RH-RW (that we needed) & is only 23yrs old who has better Analytics than Zucker from 18'-20' , is faster, is more physical, and has way more upside & cheaper Cap....
For a 1st & a C+ prospect ??
BUT
Pens fans were Happy about getting another tiny LWer, Will be 29yrs old & out of prime hockey yrs, has worse Analytics than Kappy from 18'-20' & has No upside w/ a high Cap
For a 1st & a B+ Prospect

I SWEAR TO GOD PENS FANS ARE EXTREMELY DUMB AND DON'T THINK
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********** - AFTER THE KAPPY TRADE - {That I Loved} - GMJR IS STICKING TO HIS WORD FROM Mark Madden INTERVIEW, From Last Friday !!!


~ GMJR said (From his own mouth) in Mark Madden interview "not an article" ===== *** MM does do a great interview - he asks the hard questions.

** ~ GMJR has FULL support of ownership to Spend to the Cap {or about $1m away from it} & do Whatever is Needed to get the team better & Make changes.
BUT if he can stay $2m-$3m under Cap, by bringing in young players. He would like to do that BUT w/ CAP staying flat, that mite be hard too.

~ There will be Changes, something is wrong in "The Room" - The players we brought in are not taking a leadership role like.. Bones, Daley, & those guys did ==== Bjugstad? Zucker? - Both Gone??
** Can't have Horny the only guy on bench saying something & Need some Young energy Players.

~ I HOPE & PRAY = GMJR is talking JJ up, like he did Kessel last yr bc he is trying to Trade him.

***** ~ Letang #58 is NOT going to be moved, GMJR also said - He played some of his best Defensive 1st Hockey in the playoffs and thinks Letang has multiple great years left.
~ Murray is getting Moved, I think everyone knows this tho & I bet we get more than everyone expects.
When GMJR was talking of Guentzel & Rust taking that next step... He threw this in -
~ DO WE NEED THAT 3rd STAR FORWARD Again or Can these guys or a young guy like McCann step up??

- GMJR then said === PENS - No Matter What - " MUST GET YOUNGER"
And proceeded to talk about all of the Players on other teams in Playoffs making an Impact = They are all in their early 20's.
*** ~ McCann is one of those young players we need to take that next step & prob need to leave him at 1 position next yr. (Instead of moving him from ~ 3rd line LW, to 2nd line Center, to 1st line LW, to 3rd line C, then back to 3rd line LW, then in playoffs he was 3rd line Center??? YOU CAN NOT DO THAT TO A 23yr Old KID!!! Also worried he will ask for to much this off-season & Wants to sign McCann to a fair longer term deal - BUT - being a 23 yr old guy w/ upside, those are the kind of players we need more of in this line-up.
- If a younger player is NHL ready over a NHL guy w/ Contract = That guy will be put into AHL - DeSmith & Pateryn

GMJR then Stressed.....
~ Getting an Upgrade of an entire NEW 3rd line & Most Importantly we NEED a more - Defensive 3rd Line Center that is a Top 2-way player is a Big Off-season Need.
~ And getting - a RH-Wing that is a shooter for PP#1 is another = DONE - Kappy
~ And Needing 2-more D-Men Upgrades in Top 6. - For Schultz & JJ?? - I hope

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[UFA] - 20'-21' - Off-Season Signings :

~ LW- Taylor HALL #9 - 1 yr @ $6m ~~~~~ GMJR, Mario, Sid, Geno, & Letang all talk Hall into being The New Phil Kessel "3rd Star" and Winning a Cup. By taking a 1yr "Prove It Deal" after a injury riddled season then a down yr, this past yr. Getting a Promise of a long term deal (like Pettersson's Promise) - when we will have the Cap space & if Hall turns it around.

~ LHD- Derek FORBORT #20 - 1 yr @ $2.1m ~~~~ Forbort is a 6'-4" - 220lbs & only 28yrs old, was injured for 80% of season & could prob get on the cheap for another prove it Deal here. I always liked his game w/ LAK - he can skate great for a big guy & moves the puck great. Plus his physical side has been getting better.

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************ MY PITTSBURGH PENGUINS ROSTER ~ "BREAK-DOWN" **************

OFFENSE :
- Line 1A : 59 - 87 - 24 ~ OMG, It only took 16yrs but Sid has 2- Legit wingers & a young 1st Rder {RH}-RWer w/ Insane Speed
- Line 1B : 19 - 71 - 17 ~ Geno & Rusty are the Duo but keeping McCanner @ LW (all year please) w/ his Shot & Speed, IMO he breaks out BIG.
- Line 1C : 9 - 18 - 25 ~ [25-Roslovic] This is the line that makes this team great - Hall - Dvorak - Roslovic = GTFOH a 3rd Line???
- Line 4 : 13 - 53 - 72 ~ I kno Horny isn't a 4th Liner but this gives us the option of having 4- Legit scoring lines to role 4 lines always & NOT killing 87 & 71 all yr w/ a ton of min.

H/S : 12 / 37 ~ Both - Simon & Laffy can play on any line & all 3 pos. = perfect back-ups
1st Call Ups - Poulin22 / Angello57 / Lettieri95 / O'Conner__ / McLeod70
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DEFENSE :
Pair #1 : 8 - 58 ~ Still one of the best Top pairs in NHL
Pair #2 : 28 - 6 ~ The Stolen Pair Pettersson takes that next step & Marino is just scratching the surface - Now w/ real Top 4 min & PP time = Watch out!!
Pair #3 : 20 - 75 ~ A perfect vet in Forbort to pair w/ the young Bouchard

H/S : 50 ~ Can play both sides = as good - Riikola would be a perfect #7
1st Call Ups - LHD : P.O.J.73 / Dahlstrom23 ~~ RHD : Trotman5 / Welinski3 / Maniscalco__
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GOALIES :
1A : 35 ~ Jarry is ready (like I said 3-5yrs ago while everyone traded him) but It's his Time!!
1B : 31 ~ Hill - Everyone should know how good this kid is - Matt Murray Jr w/ a Glove Hand, lol

#3 & #4 : 1 / 30 ~ DeSmith would be a perfect vet #3 to the 2 young Goalies. Sign S. Martin in case DeSmith gets claimed.
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********** ~ LOOKING AHEAD TO ~ THE 21'-22 : PITTSBURGH PENGUINS ~ ************

~ Seattle Expansion Draft :
Protect - Crosby / Geno / Guentzel / Kappy / McCann / Dvorak / Roslovic / Letang / Dumo / Pettersson / Jarry ~ [Dont need to protect - Marino or Bouchard]
** I would try to make a Deal w/ Seattle to try to move : Horny72 "OR" Rusty17 - So we don't lose : Blueger or Tanev or Hill

~ 21'-22' Off-Season ~ Cap Situation :
With this team The Cap would be in Perfect order Having around [$17.5m - $15.5m] of Cap space in 21'-22' (depending on who Seattle takes in trade) - Horny or Rusty??
++ w/ LHD- POJ & LW- Poulin in starting line up -
This team would have [0] open spots on [23] Man Roster w/ [$17.5m - $15.5m] of Cap Space......
To sign [3] RFA's - Marino - Lock up long term / Blueger - Lock up / Riikolla ???

*** Is it time to move Geno w/ 1yr left ??? / What kind of Return ?? / Is Dvorak ready for 2C - "OR" Is Roslovic ready for 3C ??? /
~ Do we resign Hall Long term ??? (Could have the Cap Space anyways)

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1.
PIT
  1. Dvorak, Christian
  2. Hill, Adin [RFA Rights]
Additional Details:
3. [UFA] Rights to :
LW- Taylor HALL #9

* [PIT] - GMJR keeps Wheeling & Dealing. Finally landing that 3rd line Center w/ Versatility, Gets that 1B Goalie to back-up Jarry, & takes a chance on UFA Rights of Hall.

~ DVORAK- is a crazy fast GREAT 2-way player, that can play Top 9 Center or LW, can be that 3rd line Center that GMJR wants or a responsible / Fast LW like Hags was for Geno. PLUS is locked up long term.
~ HILL - I love this kid (I think everyone knows, lol) & actually reminds me of Murray (w/ his size & his calmness in net) but IMO, Hill is a 1B Goalie rite now at just 24yrs old.
~ HALL- If we can afford him or 87 & 71 talks him into staying for 1 yr to be that 3rd Star? Maybe GMJR promises him a long term Contract after 1 yr?
ARI
  1. Zucker, Jason
Additional Details:
* [ARZ] Gets best player in Deal & gives ARZ a legit replacement to Hall at LW that can play Top line or Top 6. Also, ARZ is able to move a Top 9 Center w/ Hayton starting.

- ZUCKER- a faster / quicker Top 6 Winger, that plays hard all the time, Will go to the net & dirty areas too. I really really liked Zucker here but Pens must get younger & the NEED is a 3C.
2.
PIT
  1. Bouchard, Evan
  2. McLeod, Ryan
  3. 2021 4th round pick (EDM)
Additional Details:
* [PIT] - GMJR keeps rolling w/ Trades & like always We take EDM's best RHD again, lol. In a Prospect that I love in Bouchard & a solid Center prospect in McLeod, & a 4th Rd pick in 22'.

~ BOUCHARD- This kid is a future Top 4 RHD that will be a PP point guy but after a yr in AHL could be ready to be 3rd Pairing guy that needs to work on his skating & in D-Zone.
~ McLEOD- Looks the part of a Center being 6'-2" / 210+lbs & skates at an Elite level & has the skill - BUT- his effort isn't there tho. Needs a kick in arse & has a chance. (A Hallander replacement Prospect)
EDM
  1. Almeida, Justin
  2. Murray, Matt [RFA Rights]
Additional Details:
* [EDM] - Gets a real NHL Starting & Proven winning Goalie & a solid prospect to help McJesus win some playoff games & series bf they lose him.

- MURRAY- Had a injury riddled & down yr & needs a change at this point. BUT he is still only 26, a 6'-4", 2- Time Starting Cup winning Goalie. That just last season started the last 25 gms of yr & was the only reason we made the Playoffs.
- ALMEIDA- Had 2 great yrs in WHL w/ a 98 & 111 point seasons but struggled in 1st pro yr last yr. But the skill is there.
3.
PIT
  1. Dahlström, Carl
  2. Roslovic, Jack [RFA Rights]
Additional Details:
* [PIT] - GMJR keeps going all in on younger players & get a good younger (23yr old) NHLer that plays hard. And a younger Depth #7 - #8 LHD.

~ ROSLOVIC- The late 1st Rdr is a player I've always liked a ton & would be exactly what GMJR is looking for - (younger NHLers w/ upside). Roslovic is prob a 3rd line RWer but has potential to be a really good 3rd line Center or possibly a Top 6 RWer.
~ DAHLSTROM- Former 2nd Rdr is a depth D-man but IMO, is worth it to take a shot on the 6'-4" / 230+lbs LHD. (Goes to WBS) & is a cheaper call-up than JJ.
WPG
  1. Aston-Reese, Zach
  2. Bjugstad, Nick
  3. Ruhwedel, Chad
  4. 2022 3rd round pick (PIT)
Additional Details:
** CONDITIONAL - 22' - 3rd Rdr [PIT]
** Pick becomes - 22' - 6th Rdr [PIT]
-If Bjugstad plays over {69} gms
** Pick Returns to [PIT]
- If Bjugstad Resigns w/ [WPG]

* [WPG] gets a guy who could replace Little at 2nd or 3rd line Center & could be a steal -"If Healthy" tho, A Defensive bottom 6 LWer, & an underrated #6-#7 RHD.

- JUGGS- Is still a 6'-6" - Top 9 Forward that has produced in the NHL at Center & at RW. Even tho he was injured last year, he is still a very good player & only 27.
- ZAR- Bottom 6 LWer on a controlled contract, that could be the best Defensive Forward in NHL & great PK guy.
- RUHWEDEL- is the best #7 RHD-man in NHL & would be a 3rd pairing for 40% of NHL teams.
4.
PIT
  1. Pateryn, Greg
Additional Details:
* [PIT] Gets out of JJ Contract & picks up another RHD option for IF Bouchard isn't ready .

~ PATERYN- is a solid 6'-3" / 225lbs - #6 to #7 RHD-man & is coming off of Sports hernia surgery a yr ago & has even worse analytics than JJ but maybe a change of scenery & being fully healthy will boost his game.
(Prob ends up in WBS)
MIN
  1. Björkqvist, Kasper
  2. Johnson, Jack
Additional Details:
* [MIN] Opens up a spot at RHD for Soucy, Menell, or Belpedio, & gets a vet 3rd pairing Dman, & a prospect GMBG loves.

- JOHNSON- is Cap relief for Pens but is still good enough to be a 3rd Pairing guy still. + only for 1 yr until Seattle Exp. Draft.
- BJORKQVIST- The former 2nd Rdr isn't ranked highly as a prospect but will be a 10yr Bottom 6 NHLer w/ his motor
5.
PIT
    Put on waivers to try to sneak into AHL & being RHD, he prob gets claimed
    OTT
    1. Pateryn, Greg
    Additional Details:
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    Aug. 27, 2020 at 12:15 p.m.
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    Quoting: Sidstick87
    - LOL, 322 min of top 6 of 1930 min last 2 yrs

    - If he makes team he can then get sent down, there are a cpl of 19yr old that did it this yr.

    - I just showed u why to keep them & move Rust or Horny to Seattle like we did w/ MAF
    There would be value w/ moving Rust but prob would have to pay to move Horny

    - Stepan is there 1st to 2nd line Center now? + they already said Hayton will be in Top 9 as a Center next yr, so unless they move Dvorak back to LW??

    - I really like Roslovic and think he could be a future 3C or maybe even Top 6 RWer in a cpl yrs but he is already much better than ZAR & 4 yrs younger.

    - seriously, just go back and watch ZAR's shifts in playoffs ... U will LOL, he mite be the worst player w/ the puck since Tanner Glass, it's like he is allergic to Puck.
    A 4th line of .. Tanev - Blueger - Horny would be better by far & could actually use that 4th line, all the time. Instead of just when we have a lead or early in games.


    No, it was 322 minutes THIS YEAR, out of 1089, if we include last year it goes to 1044 out of 2300 and some with AM and JT, I would say he was certainly given a shot in their top 6, and wasn't spectacular

    Idk what you mean, Comtois in 18-19 made the Ducks out of camp, got hurt and played in the AHL on a conditioning loan, but when that was up he had to go to the Q, where he couldn't have gotten called up until after his season was done there, the only way a U20 player can get sent to the AHL for good (not on a conditioning loan) while their junior teams season is still going is if they are European or have played 4 years in juniors, (Veleno last year) which Poulin has not

    You said that they're younger and signed longer (which Blueger isn't, and which at Tanev's age and play style, isn't a good thing), you didn't give any justification to keep them over a significantly better player in Rust, Hornqvist sure, if you can get Seattle to take him without giving up much, do it in a heartbeat

    Stepan isn't their 1C, he was steadily declining over the year, and will be their 3rd best C at best next year, Dvo is already lightyears better than him (and noticeably better than Schmaltz) and yes, they'll try to get Hayton to 9 time, but he won't challenge Dvo for 1C time unless he has an absurd year that nobody is expecting

    I like Roslo, but I don't think he's a C ideally, and he can maybe be a low end top 6er like Kap, and he doesn't really fit in as a great bottom 6er (like ZAR)

    I'm not saying he's good with the puck, he's not by any stretch of the imagination, but like the amount of times Simon and Sheary have just whiffed on easy tap ins and perfect breakout passes from sid or one of the d men is infuriating, maybe ZAR would be that bad if he had that many opportunities, but he doesn't bc he's trusted to be out there in defections scenarios where we don't care about offense, which is why that line was so great, relaxing ZAR with a slower less aggressive forchecker, far worse NZ player and worse defender in Hornqvist completely ruins what made that line good, all for maybe 10 more goals on the year, bc it's not exactly like Tanev and Blueger are offensive dynamos just getting held back by ZAR, Blueger isn't terrible, but Tanev's hands are bricks too (also would like to debate that Khunackle had the worst hands/offensive touch I've ever seen lol)
    Aug. 27, 2020 at 12:32 p.m.
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    Quoting: Sidstick87
    They are actually pretty even analytically.....
    BUT
    1- Player will be 24 , entering his hockey prime, is faster, more physical, & never had a Top 6 role BUT still has more points & more Goals??
    1- Player will be 29, out of his prime hockey yrs, is tiny, gets tossed around, & always is in the Top 6 BUT not as productive??

    https://public.tableau.com/profile/bill.comeau#!/vizhome/SKATR2019-2020/SKATR


    They aren't remotely close by analytics that show players performance, 23-28 is generally a player's peak (but 28-32 there isn't much regression), in our 1-2 year window i doubt we see a ton of development from Kap or regression from Zucker, (also love how you make it seem like 29 year old Zucker is bound to regress at any moment then use Tanev being 29 and signed longer term as justification to keep him over Rust when Tanev plays a fast more physical style that will have him drop off sooner) and idk how you came to the conclusion of him having more points/goals, in 19-20 Kap had 7 less goals and 5 less points in over 100 more minutes than Zucker, and in 18-19 (where Kap played 600 mins with Matthews, his most frequent linemate) had a marginally better (0.02 G/60) goal rate, and noticeably better P/60, but he also had slightly better linemates, i think I'd take 600 mins with AM over 900 mins with 85 year old Eric Staal...
    Aug. 27, 2020 at 6:24 p.m.
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    They really aren't though. Kapanen was below replacement level by most models this year. Zucker is not tiny and tossed around wtf. Genuine ignorance here.


    from 18'-20' for the 17th time ... Read lil man
    Aug. 27, 2020 at 6:29 p.m.
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    Quoting: Sidstick87
    from 18'-20' for the 17th time ... Read lil man


    Lol. You are the guy that thinks Jason Zucker is Conor Sheary.

    And I presented to you two different charts for WAR and SPAR that demonstrate your claim to be clearly false, regardless of what time period you choose. Kapanen's season two years ago is comparable to one of Zucker's seasons. The cumulative impact from both years favors Zucker. You are just making **** up, just like you are in your trashing of Zucker as someone small who gets knocked around. Just stupid.
    Aug. 27, 2020 at 7:00 p.m.
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    No, it was 322 minutes THIS YEAR, out of 1089, if we include last year it goes to 1044 out of 2300 and some with AM and JT, I would say he was certainly given a shot in their top 6, and wasn't spectacular

    Idk what you mean, Comtois in 18-19 made the Ducks out of camp, got hurt and played in the AHL on a conditioning loan, but when that was up he had to go to the Q, where he couldn't have gotten called up until after his season was done there, the only way a U20 player can get sent to the AHL for good (not on a conditioning loan) while their junior teams season is still going is if they are European or have played 4 years in juniors, (Veleno last year) which Poulin has not

    You said that they're younger and signed longer (which Blueger isn't, and which at Tanev's age and play style, isn't a good thing), you didn't give any justification to keep them over a significantly better player in Rust, Hornqvist sure, if you can get Seattle to take him without giving up much, do it in a heartbeat

    Stepan isn't their 1C, he was steadily declining over the year, and will be their 3rd best C at best next year, Dvo is already lightyears better than him (and noticeably better than Schmaltz) and yes, they'll try to get Hayton to 9 time, but he won't challenge Dvo for 1C time unless he has an absurd year that nobody is expecting

    I like Roslo, but I don't think he's a C ideally, and he can maybe be a low end top 6er like Kap, and he doesn't really fit in as a great bottom 6er (like ZAR)

    I'm not saying he's good with the puck, he's not by any stretch of the imagination, but like the amount of times Simon and Sheary have just whiffed on easy tap ins and perfect breakout passes from sid or one of the d men is infuriating, maybe ZAR would be that bad if he had that many opportunities, but he doesn't bc he's trusted to be out there in defections scenarios where we don't care about offense, which is why that line was so great, relaxing ZAR with a slower less aggressive forchecker, far worse NZ player and worse defender in Hornqvist completely ruins what made that line good, all for maybe 10 more goals on the year, bc it's not exactly like Tanev and Blueger are offensive dynamos just getting held back by ZAR, Blueger isn't terrible, but Tanev's hands are bricks too (also would like to debate that Khunackle had the worst hands/offensive touch I've ever seen lol)


    19 yr olds to play in AHL since just 18'
    Mcleod, Frederic, Lindgren, Koppanen, Nylander, Quenneville, Jost, Benson, Laberge, Puljujärvi, Almari, Kuokkanen, Gustavsson, Dube, Felhaber, Barron, Andersson, Lind, Shaw, Hague, Foote, Strome, Vaakanainen, Chekhovich, Comtois, Necas, McGregor, Geisser, Räsänen, Luukkonen, Leschyshyn, Glass, Drozg, Rasmussen, D'Orio, Tolvanen, Liljegren, Bellerive, + I have another page of 60 players if u need that too??? +++ 3 of them are Penguins

    Kappy just said on MM interview that he had a hand full of games the last 2 yrs in Top 6 in TOR and he has never really had the chance.

    Id try to get Seattle to take a 30yr old Rusty bc then we wont have to pay or loose Tanev or Blueger if we had Roslovic

    - ARIZONA's 9 - Playoff games / & Reg. Season
    Stepan - 19:06 - ATOI / 17:39 ATOI
    Dvorak - 16:09 - ATOI / 16:13 ATOI + Carl Soderberg had 16:13 ATOI & even more than Dvorak in playoff's w/ Schmaltz out

    *** This = Stepan 1st line Center homie + w/ Schmaltz & Hayton playing next yr = Dvorak could def be avai as a 3rd line Center

    Roslo has said he is more of a pass 1st player & is a natural Center but he said he needs to get better at faceoffs

    -I would just really sell high on ZAR bc he is NOT a good player at all, he only hits once every 25games, and is a great d player but the dude doesnt kno how to use his stick with puck, lol
    Aug. 27, 2020 at 9:21 p.m.
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    19 yr olds to play in AHL since just 18'
    Mcleod, Frederic, Lindgren, Koppanen, Nylander, Quenneville, Jost, Benson, Laberge, Puljujärvi, Almari, Kuokkanen, Gustavsson, Dube, Felhaber, Barron, Andersson, Lind, Shaw, Hague, Foote, Strome, Vaakanainen, Chekhovich, Comtois, Necas, McGregor, Geisser, Räsänen, Luukkonen, Leschyshyn, Glass, Drozg, Rasmussen, D'Orio, Tolvanen, Liljegren, Bellerive, + I have another page of 60 players if u need that too??? +++ 3 of them are Penguins

    Kappy just said on MM interview that he had a hand full of games the last 2 yrs in Top 6 in TOR and he has never really had the chance.

    Id try to get Seattle to take a 30yr old Rusty bc then we wont have to pay or loose Tanev or Blueger if we had Roslovic

    - ARIZONA's 9 - Playoff games / & Reg. Season
    Stepan - 19:06 - ATOI / 17:39 ATOI
    Dvorak - 16:09 - ATOI / 16:13 ATOI + Carl Soderberg had 16:13 ATOI & even more than Dvorak in playoff's w/ Schmaltz out

    *** This = Stepan 1st line Center homie + w/ Schmaltz & Hayton playing next yr = Dvorak could def be avai as a 3rd line Center

    Roslo has said he is more of a pass 1st player & is a natural Center but he said he needs to get better at faceoffs

    -I would just really sell high on ZAR bc he is NOT a good player at all, he only hits once every 25games, and is a great d player but the dude doesnt kno how to use his stick with puck, lol


    McLeod had 4 years in the OHL before playing in the AHL, Fredric came out of the NCAA where they have (very) different rules than the CHL, idk which Lindgren that is, Jesper is European and didn't play in the AHL as a teenager, same with Koppanen and Nylander (on the European part), neither of the Quenneville's played a season in the A until after their 4th year of juniors, Jost was NCAA, Benson finished his 4th year in the WHL before playing a full year in the AHL, same with Laberge, Pulju is a Euro, Almari is a Euro and didn't play a full season in the AHL until this year as a 21 year old, Kuokkanen is a Euro, Gus is a Euro, Dube had 4 years in juniors before his first full AHL year, Felhaber had 5 before his first full pro year, i have no idea what Barron you're talking about, Andersson is a Euro, Lind played in the dub for 4 seasons, and may have aged out before his first full pro year, idk a Shaw other than Andrew, Hague aged out in 18-19 as a Dec B day vs Poulin in Feb, same with Cal Foote, Strome had 4 OHL seasons, Vaak is a Euro, Chekhovich is a Russian, Comtois was literally my example of the one way Poulin can play in the AHL before his junior season ends by going down on a conditioning loan, Necas is European, idk a McGregor, Geisser never played in the CHl, Räsänen is a Euro, Luukkonen, is as well, Leschyshyn had 4 years in the dub before playing a full season in the A, same with Glass, Drozg is Slovenian, Rasmussen, only played 3 games in the A last year, i can't say for sure, but i do know it was either as a conditioning loan or at the end of the year, D'Orio only played 3 years but def aged out this year, Tolvanen and Liljegren are Euros, and Tolvanen was in the USHL, and Bellerive played 4 years in the dub before this year, a few games at the end of the year after his Q season is over doesn't mean he can get sent up and down throughout the year
    "Under the current format, CHL players who are 18 or 19 years old, if drafted by their NHL team, must be returned to their junior team who has their rights. Players who are loaned to a Canadian junior team [Europeans] are an exception to this rule. Recent examples include Rasmus Sandin and Andre Burakovsky. Players who have played four junior seasons [Poulin hasn't] (min. 25 games per season) are exempt as well, though they’re quite rare."

    Uhhh, k, he still played over 1000 mins with their top 2 C's over the past 2 years, and according to Steve Dangle (no I don't normally watch him, I did watch his video on this trade though) he said he got a good amount of time in the top 6 last year, and said he wasn't particularly good there

    I get not wanting to pay, but you make it seem like you would rather keep Blueger (a pending UFA) and Tanev (1 year younger, significantly worse, with a contract that is too much for what he brings, and too long, especially for his playstyle)

    Yes I saw that, but I also said best C, if Tocchet is dumb idc, but Dvo is far better, and Stepan is probably not even on the team next year anyway, and Soderberg almost certainly won't, and Dvo had the second most TOI/GP for C's on the team, and as I've said before is far better than any other C on the team barring an insane jump by Hayton

    Roslo is a C like McCann is a C, barely an upgrade if at all at faceoffs, and McCann is probably a slightly better player

    I would rather a smart player than a physical player defensively, and ZAR is one of the best, and even though he doesn't hit, he's still very aggressive and relentless, and doesn't really give up any ice easily, but it's still safe and good positionally, and I really don't see that changing, and he has shown offensive ability before as a prospect, I'm not saying it's likely, but it's not impossible, and that elite defense is extremely valuable
    Aug. 28, 2020 at 8:56 a.m.
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    McLeod had 4 years in the OHL before playing in the AHL, Fredric came out of the NCAA where they have (very) different rules than the CHL, idk which Lindgren that is, Jesper is European and didn't play in the AHL as a teenager, same with Koppanen and Nylander (on the European part), neither of the Quenneville's played a season in the A until after their 4th year of juniors, Jost was NCAA, Benson finished his 4th year in the WHL before playing a full year in the AHL, same with Laberge, Pulju is a Euro, Almari is a Euro and didn't play a full season in the AHL until this year as a 21 year old, Kuokkanen is a Euro, Gus is a Euro, Dube had 4 years in juniors before his first full AHL year, Felhaber had 5 before his first full pro year, i have no idea what Barron you're talking about, Andersson is a Euro, Lind played in the dub for 4 seasons, and may have aged out before his first full pro year, idk a Shaw other than Andrew, Hague aged out in 18-19 as a Dec B day vs Poulin in Feb, same with Cal Foote, Strome had 4 OHL seasons, Vaak is a Euro, Chekhovich is a Russian, Comtois was literally my example of the one way Poulin can play in the AHL before his junior season ends by going down on a conditioning loan, Necas is European, idk a McGregor, Geisser never played in the CHl, Räsänen is a Euro, Luukkonen, is as well, Leschyshyn had 4 years in the dub before playing a full season in the A, same with Glass, Drozg is Slovenian, Rasmussen, only played 3 games in the A last year, i can't say for sure, but i do know it was either as a conditioning loan or at the end of the year, D'Orio only played 3 years but def aged out this year, Tolvanen and Liljegren are Euros, and Tolvanen was in the USHL, and Bellerive played 4 years in the dub before this year, a few games at the end of the year after his Q season is over doesn't mean he can get sent up and down throughout the year
    "Under the current format, CHL players who are 18 or 19 years old, if drafted by their NHL team, must be returned to their junior team who has their rights. Players who are loaned to a Canadian junior team [Europeans] are an exception to this rule. Recent examples include Rasmus Sandin and Andre Burakovsky. Players who have played four junior seasons [Poulin hasn't] (min. 25 games per season) are exempt as well, though they’re quite rare."

    Uhhh, k, he still played over 1000 mins with their top 2 C's over the past 2 years, and according to Steve Dangle (no I don't normally watch him, I did watch his video on this trade though) he said he got a good amount of time in the top 6 last year, and said he wasn't particularly good there

    I get not wanting to pay, but you make it seem like you would rather keep Blueger (a pending UFA) and Tanev (1 year younger, significantly worse, with a contract that is too much for what he brings, and too long, especially for his playstyle)

    Yes I saw that, but I also said best C, if Tocchet is dumb idc, but Dvo is far better, and Stepan is probably not even on the team next year anyway, and Soderberg almost certainly won't, and Dvo had the second most TOI/GP for C's on the team, and as I've said before is far better than any other C on the team barring an insane jump by Hayton

    Roslo is a C like McCann is a C, barely an upgrade if at all at faceoffs, and McCann is probably a slightly better player

    I would rather a smart player than a physical player defensively, and ZAR is one of the best, and even though he doesn't hit, he's still very aggressive and relentless, and doesn't really give up any ice easily, but it's still safe and good positionally, and I really don't see that changing, and he has shown offensive ability before as a prospect, I'm not saying it's likely, but it's not impossible, and that elite defense is extremely valuable


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    McLeod had 4 years in the OHL before playing in the AHL, Fredric came out of the NCAA where they have (very) different rules than the CHL, idk which Lindgren that is, Jesper is European and didn't play in the AHL as a teenager, same with Koppanen and Nylander (on the European part), neither of the Quenneville's played a season in the A until after their 4th year of juniors, Jost was NCAA, Benson finished his 4th year in the WHL before playing a full year in the AHL, same with Laberge, Pulju is a Euro, Almari is a Euro and didn't play a full season in the AHL until this year as a 21 year old, Kuokkanen is a Euro, Gus is a Euro, Dube had 4 years in juniors before his first full AHL year, Felhaber had 5 before his first full pro year, i have no idea what Barron you're talking about, Andersson is a Euro, Lind played in the dub for 4 seasons, and may have aged out before his first full pro year, idk a Shaw other than Andrew, Hague aged out in 18-19 as a Dec B day vs Poulin in Feb, same with Cal Foote, Strome had 4 OHL seasons, Vaak is a Euro, Chekhovich is a Russian, Comtois was literally my example of the one way Poulin can play in the AHL before his junior season ends by going down on a conditioning loan, Necas is European, idk a McGregor, Geisser never played in the CHl, Räsänen is a Euro, Luukkonen, is as well, Leschyshyn had 4 years in the dub before playing a full season in the A, same with Glass, Drozg is Slovenian, Rasmussen, only played 3 games in the A last year, i can't say for sure, but i do know it was either as a conditioning loan or at the end of the year, D'Orio only played 3 years but def aged out this year, Tolvanen and Liljegren are Euros, and Tolvanen was in the USHL, and Bellerive played 4 years in the dub before this year, a few games at the end of the year after his Q season is over doesn't mean he can get sent up and down throughout the year
    "Under the current format, CHL players who are 18 or 19 years old, if drafted by their NHL team, must be returned to their junior team who has their rights. Players who are loaned to a Canadian junior team [Europeans] are an exception to this rule. Recent examples include Rasmus Sandin and Andre Burakovsky. Players who have played four junior seasons [Poulin hasn't] (min. 25 games per season) are exempt as well, though they’re quite rare."

    Uhhh, k, he still played over 1000 mins with their top 2 C's over the past 2 years, and according to Steve Dangle (no I don't normally watch him, I did watch his video on this trade though) he said he got a good amount of time in the top 6 last year, and said he wasn't particularly good there

    I get not wanting to pay, but you make it seem like you would rather keep Blueger (a pending UFA) and Tanev (1 year younger, significantly worse, with a contract that is too much for what he brings, and too long, especially for his playstyle)

    Yes I saw that, but I also said best C, if Tocchet is dumb idc, but Dvo is far better, and Stepan is probably not even on the team next year anyway, and Soderberg almost certainly won't, and Dvo had the second most TOI/GP for C's on the team, and as I've said before is far better than any other C on the team barring an insane jump by Hayton

    Roslo is a C like McCann is a C, barely an upgrade if at all at faceoffs, and McCann is probably a slightly better player

    I would rather a smart player than a physical player defensively, and ZAR is one of the best, and even though he doesn't hit, he's still very aggressive and relentless, and doesn't really give up any ice easily, but it's still safe and good positionally, and I really don't see that changing, and he has shown offensive ability before as a prospect, I'm not saying it's likely, but it's not impossible, and that elite defense is extremely valuable



    Jokiharju, Kostin, Vesalainen, Mattheos, Brook, Henry, Bowers, Berglund, Vilardi, Brännström, Texier, Kaut, Kurashev, Groleau, Lundeström, Zadina, Struthers, Veleno,
    Wilde, Farabee, Sandin, Kupari, Lauko, Gustafsson, Hayton, Wahlstrom, Kotkaniemi, Boqvist

    ** If u go to Quan hockey it gives u a list of 400+ players that were 19 yrs old & played in the AHL just since 2016.
    + The Pens have had [7] - 19yr olds in AHL since that time, so its very easy to see Poulin ending up in AHL. It's just a fact that a ton of 19yr old play in the AHL.

    Out of Kappy's 1926:33 TOI / He played 692:13 in Top 6 & almost 600 + of those min being last yr.
    But I love the Kappy trade bc he is just coming into his prime yrs just like other RWers that had very average season until turning 23-24-25 yrs old Like... Rakell, Lindholm, Gallagher, Tuch, Arvi.

    - I just don't get how Yinzers only like old tiny wingers?? But get mad about getting young players like Kappy ??? Like how ppl want to trade McCann bc he struggled at end of season & in playoffs?? The dude is also only 23 too?? Gota let these guys mature?? I think Yinzers expect all players to be like Sid or Geno & if ur not good when ur 20, that u will suck always ?? I mean Kappy is young (which we need very badly), he is maybe now our fastest player (w/ us not as fast as we think), he has bite to his game (w/ our team of softies), and has real Upside.

    IDk but Stepan is def their #1 - It is what it is.

    But about ZAR, I think we def sell on his high value bc he is not good at all.
    Aug. 28, 2020 at 11:44 a.m.
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    Jokiharju, Kostin, Vesalainen, Mattheos, Brook, Henry, Bowers, Berglund, Vilardi, Brännström, Texier, Kaut, Kurashev, Groleau, Lundeström, Zadina, Struthers, Veleno,
    Wilde, Farabee, Sandin, Kupari, Lauko, Gustafsson, Hayton, Wahlstrom, Kotkaniemi, Boqvist

    ** If u go to Quan hockey it gives u a list of 400+ players that were 19 yrs old & played in the AHL just since 2016.
    + The Pens have had [7] - 19yr olds in AHL since that time, so its very easy to see Poulin ending up in AHL. It's just a fact that a ton of 19yr old play in the AHL.

    Out of Kappy's 1926:33 TOI / He played 692:13 in Top 6 & almost 600 + of those min being last yr.
    But I love the Kappy trade bc he is just coming into his prime yrs just like other RWers that had very average season until turning 23-24-25 yrs old Like... Rakell, Lindholm, Gallagher, Tuch, Arvi.

    - I just don't get how Yinzers only like old tiny wingers?? But get mad about getting young players like Kappy ??? Like how ppl want to trade McCann bc he struggled at end of season & in playoffs?? The dude is also only 23 too?? Gota let these guys mature?? I think Yinzers expect all players to be like Sid or Geno & if ur not good when ur 20, that u will suck always ?? I mean Kappy is young (which we need very badly), he is maybe now our fastest player (w/ us not as fast as we think), he has bite to his game (w/ our team of softies), and has real Upside.

    IDk but Stepan is def their #1 - It is what it is.

    But about ZAR, I think we def sell on his high value bc he is not good at all.


    YOU CAN PLAY IN THE AHL AFTER YOUR JUNIOR TEAMS' SEASON IS OVER, THAT DOESN'T MEAN POULIN CAN GO DOWN AND COME BACK UP ANY TIME THROUGHOUT THE YEAR (unless he's a European being loaned or has completed 4 seasons of juniors which he hasn't)

    I think we have different data or smth, according to NST he has played over 1000 mins with their top 2 C's between the 18-19 and 19-20 seasons, yes more last year than this year, but still played a noticeable amount of time with them this year, and statistically a player's peak is 24... it's not impossible a player develops after that, but there are far more players who don't take a big jump than those that do at 23-24 years old

    No, I like getting good players, rn unless they're like 85 years old (talking about you Marleau) irdc how old they are, we only have 3 years AT MOST of being competitive (and more likely only 1-2) i just want the best possible players, don't want to overpay for an extremely low shot at a younger guy developing into a better player than a proven guy like say Zucker (or Domi who almost certainly could have been had for that package and is light years better than Kap) and I would agree, i don't want to trade McCann, but if we can get a significantly better player for him, like Tatar or Savard (tho idk about how good of a fit he would be) or Dadonov Smith or Toffoli (ik they're UFAs, but players like them) or Killorn etc, I'd trade him in a heartbeat, guys like McCann or Kap are not worth paying more for than better older players bc they're younger, in a few years they'll just be middle 6 vets on a rebuilding team, they won't really impact the future all that much bc we're gonna be **** and none of them are good enough to be impact players, unless we're getting them to sell them for futures in the future egged we are rebuilding, but I'd rather just rebuild for an extra year and get the better older players rn for one last push, and at his age Kap really doesn't have much upside, he's 24, at his statistical peak, i highly doubt he gets much better than a good 3rd liner (who can play in the top 6 with a Crosby or Matthews etc)

    Stepan is probably their 4th best C, and even if you just want to go off TOI, Dvo is their 2C, and him being younger (and significantly better) than Stepan, I see no reason for him to not be their 1C next year

    Yes, complete ignore that ZAR is elite defensively and say he's terrible bc only 1/2 the game is important
     
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