Nope too much. Not worth it

I'll say the opposite of the guy above, nope not enough, not worth it from the wings side

I know that's it pricey but almost anything to get rid of JJ is worth it. I figure the pick could possibly go as low as a 4th, but since ZAR isn't the most desirable player, I went with the 2nd. It's more whether Detroit would consider it, than if the Pens would.

The other option may be Ottawa, but we know how tight Melnyk is with his money. What would it take for you to accept it in Detroit?

Dude if we just send him down we save $1 million on the cap. Who the hell do we need to sign? Mccann is gonna sign for under $4 million, Simon is gonna sign for under $2 million, a team is going to take Bjugstad. And even if no one wants Bjugstad if we buy him out we save like $3 mil. We don't need to give up significant assets to trade Johnson. ZAR is one of the best defensive forwards in the league in terms of underlying numbers and you're giving them a 2nd round pick in a year where we're apparently going to suck according to everyone. You guys think Johnson is like the worst contract in the league and he isn't. He makes $3 million for the next three years. If you traded him with Murray to Detroit we'd get a 2nd back just like Washington did with Orpik

Gonna take a first or a good prospect at this point. 3M for 3 more years is rough for barely an NHL dman. Big dump

We don't want Murray so the other guys proposal is out, plus we aren't trading 2nds in a deep draft during our rebuild

Moving JJ to the minors only saves $1.075M, that's not much cap savings. I believe that it may be possible to move Bjugstad for a pick, but f you look around on here or HFboards, not many fans of other teams think he has much value. Yes ZAR has good defensive numbers, but is that because of what he does or because he plays with Tanev and Bleuger? When you watch ZAR play do you actually notice anything that he does that is impressive? He has zero scoring touch, doesn't have the jump that Lafferty does and doesn't have the possession numbers that Simon does. But since I just remembered that ZAR is LTIR for the time being, I guess I should go back to the drawing board

you are not getting a second for murray and jj. Murray is barely worht a 2 on his own

Duh...just noticed that I even forgot to do something with Murray. Definitely back to the drawing board now

If Grubauer and Orpik's buyout (cause he didn't even play for Colorado so they paid him like $3 million to not be on the roster) got a 2nd rounder we can get a 2nd for Murray and Johnson.

The difference that season was that there was not a glutton of goalies on the market and Grubauer was just coming off of a great season. I don't think it is a good comparison to make this year.

Orpik has 1 year to buyout. JJ has 3, thats a different type of buyout.
a flat cap world who wants to have 1.2m of dead cap space in JJ for the next 3 years.

And Grubi wasnt demanding this 6m+ stuff that Murray is.
Its an expensive ticket for a team to take on and IMO not comparable in a flat cap world for the next 2 seasons

A team who has no chance of competing for the next 3 years who needs a goalie like Ottawa and Detroit

Murray had an awful year and has injury issues. I dont see many teams willing to invest assets, term, and cap space in him while taking on JJs contract buy out.
Hes not a prime asset that teams would be willing to take on a cap dump with

Pens will be lucky to get a good return on him in a seperate deal. A goalie desperate team in the Oilers are not willing to pay a 1st rounder for him. The market for Murray will shrink the closer they get to UFA

Only goalies on the UFA market worth signing are Lehner ($8 million for 8 years at least), Markstrom, Holtby, and Khudobin. And none of those guys are 26 years old with two stanley cup rings

Yeah which is why you can get Murray on the cheap since his value's gone down. I mean Ottawa has 4 2nd round picks and two of them are in the conference finals. Either one of those picks would be fine. Also who says you have to buy out Johnson? You only save $1 million more by buying him out than you do by sending him down. Just ride out the next few years with him in the minors and then buy him out if you really need the cap space

Hes one of the worst Dmen in the league, why would a team actively play him.

In order to have a shot at 1st overall for the next 3 years?

I mean our xGA was 12th in the league (higher than the Capitals, Blues, and Islanders) with him playing 19 minutes a night for basically the whole season so I don't think he's that bad

that is true...and Ceci is a free agent. A team should double up with that 1st pair