Trades for Trouba

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Created by: JuniorGM

Team: 2016-17 Winnipeg Jets

Initial Creation Date: Sep. 28, 2016

Published: Sep. 28, 2016

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

First off I view Trouba as a top pair almost elite defensman. These are for value. I know most teams will not trade the players I list this is just the value I think Trouba is worth.

These are not the actually trades just the starting points and main pieces.

Feel free to comment and debate as long as its not just... Team won't do that. I know most teams won't trade the players I listed.

Trades

WPG

Rights to Lindholm

ANA

Rights to Trouba plus jets would have to add a forward.

WPG

Ekman-Larsson, Oliver

ARI

Rights to Trouba. Jets would need to add.

WPG

Chychrun, Jakob

Additional Details:

would need to add a forwards piece.

ARI

Rights to Trouba.

WPG

Krug, Torey

Additional Details:

Bruins would need to add a little.

BOS

rights to Trouba

WPG

Brodie, TJ

CGY

rights to Trouba. Jets would have to add.

WPG

Additional Details:

Would take either player. Would need to add a little with each. Again not saying both for Trouba just saying either player would be a starting point.

CBJ

rights to Trouba

WPG

Additional Details:

Starting point.

DET

rights to Trouba

WPG

Klefbom, Oscar

Additional Details:

Add a little

EDM

rights to Trouba

WPG

Matheson, Michael

Additional Details:

need to add

FLA

rights to Trouba

10.

WPG

Muzzin, Jake

LAK

rights to Trouba

11.

WPG

Sergachev, Mikhail

Additional Details:

need to add

MTL

rights to Trouba

12.

WPG

Ekholm, Mattias

NSH

rights to Trouba

13.

WPG

Severson, Damon

Additional Details:

Need to add.

NJD

rights to Trouba

14.

WPG

Provorov, Ivan

Additional Details:

need a little

PHI

rights to Trouba

15.

WPG

Määttä, Olli

Additional Details:

need to add.

PIT

rights to Trouba

16.

WPG

Additional Details:

Would do Rielly Trouba straight up. Need TO to add if its Gardiner.

TOR

rights to Trouba

Buried

Toby Enström: $4,800,000 ($5,750,000)
Dustin Byfuglien: $6,650,000 ($7,600,000)
Mark Stuart: $1,675,000 ($2,625,000)
Tyler Myers: $4,550,000 ($5,500,000)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2017
2018
2019

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

EMBED

TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
35	$73,000,000	$110,719,792	$0	$5,682,500	-$37,719,792

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Lowry, Adam $1,125,000$1,125,000 C UFA - 2	Scheifele, Mark $6,125,000$6,125,000 C UFA - 8	Wheeler, Blake $5,600,000$5,600,000 RW M-NTC UFA - 3
Ehlers, Nikolaj $894,167$894,167 ($675,000$675K) RW, LW UFA - 2	Little, Bryan $4,700,000$4,700,000 C, RW M-NTC UFA - 2	Stafford, Drew $4,350,000$4,350,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
	Perreault, Mathieu $3,000,000$3,000,000 LW, RW, C UFA - 1	Thorburn, Chris $1,200,000$1,200,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
	Matthias, Shawn $2,125,000$2,125,000 C, LW UFA - 2	Laine, Patrik $925,000$925,000 ($2,650,000$3M) C, RW, LW UFA - 3
Tatar, Tomas $2,750,000$2,750,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Burmistrov, Alexander $1,550,000$1,550,000 C, RW UFA - 1	Armia, Joel $925,000$925,000 RW, LW UFA - 2
	Copp, Andrew $925,000$925,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 1	Peluso, Anthony $675,000$675,000 RW UFA - 1
		Lipon, JC $650,000$650,000 RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
		Pavelec, Ondrej $3,900,000$3,900,000 G UFA - 1
		Hutchinson, Michael $1,150,000$1,150,000 G UFA - 2

Ekman-Larsson, Oliver $5,500,000$5,500,000 LD UFA - 3
Chychrun, Jakob $925,000$925,000 ($425,000$425K) LD/RD UFA - 3
Krug, Torey $5,250,000$5,250,000 LD UFA - 4
Brodie, TJ $4,650,400$4,650,400 LD/RD UFA - 4
Murray, Ryan $2,825,000$2,825,000 LD UFA - 2
Werenski, Zachary $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) LD UFA - 3
Smith, Brendan $2,750,000$2,750,000 LD/RD, LW UFA - 1
Klefbom, Oscar $4,167,000$4,167,000 LD UFA - 7
Matheson, Michael $925,000$925,000 LD UFA - 2
Muzzin, Jake $4,000,000$4,000,000 LD UFA - 4
Sergachev, Mikhail $925,000$925,000 LD/RD UFA - 4
Ekholm, Mattias $3,750,000$3,750,000 LD/RD UFA - 6
Severson, Damon $605,833$605,833 ($232,500$232K) RD UFA - 1
Provorov, Ivan $894,167$894,167 ($850,000$850K) LD UFA - 3
Määttä, Olli $3,333,225$3,333,225 LD UFA - 6
Gardiner, Jake $4,050,000$4,050,000 LD UFA - 3
Rielly, Morgan $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD UFA - 6

Sep. 29, 2016 at 9:15 a.m.

#26

JuniorGM

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Quoting: F50marco

Quoting: JuniorGM
Quoting: F50marco
The overall sentiment is pretty close, I would agree with most of these. Sure a couple might be pushing it a bit. Obviously everyone is going to be pissed off at their teams offer. Frankly whether we like it or not, a lot of this is subjective. I was pissed at first that Sergachev was used but then realized, there is no basis for that. Its a fair estimation. Obviously the "need to add" is very ambiguous. Need to add a 1st round pick or a Torrey Mitchell? I think not being specific enough is what makes people overreact a bit.

As much as JuniorGM doesn't want to admit, these advanced stats are guidelines and should NOT be the sole basis for one's conclusion. Players have up/down years, they could be good players with sh*tty attitudes, nagging injuries, off ice situations, etc, etc. A player's value does not fit exactly into a statistic.

Moderation is needed when looking at advanced stats. I truly believe there are factors not being accounted for and looking at them with 100% absolution, is wrong. I remain by my words, balance between advanced stats and hockey knowledge/eye test is where true evaluation is at. Looking at only one, on either side of the spectrum, is where you'll be disappointed with your results.

Quoting: JuniorGM
Also go look at OEL at Trouba's age... They are very very similar in terms of on ice impact. So yes OEL is better than Trouba right now. He will have a better contract but Trouba at 22 is better than OEL at 22.

So you saying that if you switched scenarios for Trouba at 22 and OEL at 22, Trouba playing for 13-14 Arizona and OEL playing for 15-16 Winnipeg, Trouba would be the clear favorite? How so? Because that is 100% speculation, there is no way of making that connection and would love to see any advanced stat prove that. That's a rhetorical question BTW. Its impossible. There is no such data to support "what if scenario and alternate realities".

I really want to agree with a lot of what you say JuniorGM because many times its actually valid because the data is there for anyone to see but bending of truth according to your own opinion and saying its advanced stats is what annoys me the most and makes the advancement/progress of using advanced stats, stagnate.

What do you think all projections are. Using past information to make an informed guess. When going prospect lists how do you think they come up with that stuff? They look at age performance. So what you are saying is that you can't compare any players becuase they don't play for the same team under the exact situation. That seems unlikely. Using advance stats you can totally see how 22 year old OEL impacted his team and how 22 year old Trouba impacted his team and you can compare those sets of impacts.

2 players impacting their respective teams yes but you absolutely cannot compare ones impact against anothers impact with the same team and then declaring one better than the other as a result. Your just speculating. There's no way of saying who'd do better if the roles were reversed?

I can totally agree that at age 22 both OEL and Trouba played like top 2 calibre dman at the very least.

You can totally say with one had a greater impact to there team. Which should be the true measure on a hockey impact on team that leads to positive outcomes.

Oct. 1, 2016 at 8:01 p.m.

#27

DirtyDangles

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It's hilarious that you think the Flyers would have to add. Sorry but the Jets would need to add, Provorov is going to be way better than Trouba.

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