I was going to say Bergevin laughs and hangs up, then blocks Chicago's number, but I think Bergevin would walk over and beat the **** out of Chicago's management, I mean, have you seen his Biceps?

That Kane deal is really far off in value.

Literally trading Kane for nothing

I don’t even know how to respond to you, lol.

I love this difference in opinion.

He's talking about the Canadiens trade.

The Vegas trade needs to include Krebs and Glass if we are trading Kane AND taking back MAF cap dump contract

We are talking about 2 different deals, the Kane deal is a bad one for Chicago, the Toews deal is a bad one for Montreal.

Ummmmmmm........ ??? No

The chicago Las canadians!

I highly doubt you can get tuch and glass back in the same deal, and if I had pick between the two I’ll gladly take tuch. Plus, if I’m doing a deal for KK with Montreal, I have no reason to ask for glass, unless I move Dach to wing which I pray to god actually happens in the future.

The Montreal is kinda awkward only because of KK in the deal. Tatar isn’t gonna be a canadien in 2 seasons and danault is kind of A grey area considering what he wants and what he’s gonna get. Tuch is just because I love him and his brother.

I mean I can see Montreal not wanting to make that deal. I also really strongly don't think Montreal should be going after the Hawks' veterans.

Montreal will never want to give up what the Hawks want to get for Kane & Toews (with Toews obviously commanding less). Nor should they because at this point, they really aren't contenders and it's not worth it. Also it depends how Montreal views Strome.

I previously proposed a Toews at 6M for MAF, Krebs, and 2 firsts which I think is a very good offer because those 1sts are probably going to be extremely late.

Dude Tuch is not the cornerstone piece in a Patrick Kane deal. If we are trading Patrick Kane and taking MAF, we are starting at Glass and Krebs and adding from there. That's a ridiculously low ball offer

Also, why do we care about Tuch when Glass and Krebs are better prospects which is what we should be going after in a Kane trade.

Vegas ripped you off

Cuz everyone who looks at A Kane trade looks at what’s flashy and looks good, not what’s effective. Glass and Krebs are great talents that I would gladly take, but people don’t realize just how effective, efficient, and perfect team players Hague, tuch, and Roy are. Not to mention, they’re young.

Honestly, im okay with people seeing it that way because Vegas May get Kane, but I still get three of their most effective players in return.

Fleury is bad, tuch is a third liner, rest are developmental pieces. Yet you also added nylander. Vegas ripped off Chicago on it

Tuch is only a third liner because of who’s front of him. Ask any Vegas fan about tuch, they love the guy. Fleury is just cap balance and a body for two years. Dugan is a development piece, while Roy and Hague are NHLers. Roy was fantastic in the playoffs for Vegas and Hague was great in the regular season but was forced out by the Martinez trade.

As for nylander, get him the **** out of Chicago......

Maybe Montreal doesn't do that exact trade, but Bowman and Bergevin seem to be buddies so a deal could be worked out if Stan wanted to trade Toews. Plus Bergevin owes him one for trading Danault in the first place, hah.

As far Tuch goes in the Vegas trade, for all his hype and skills which flash on ice plus his reasonable contract (Stan loves cost certainty), he's 23 with 3 full NHL seasons now. He seems to be about a half point per game player and reached 20 goals once. His relative Corsi and Fenwick were negative last season, and his PDO was sub 100 despite a 60% offensive zone start. These numbers aren't the be all/end all except I'd rather see better numbers without watching a lot of VGK games other than the playoff series. I do like Tuch too and he had some great shifts against the Blackhawks that are fresh in my mind. If the Blackhawks were trading Kane, there's a chance that this is who Tuch is, a half point per game player for whom production doesn't quite meet skills/expectations. He could also blow up for 35 goals next season so there is a risk/reward to his value for me

MTL is not trading KK....they have been waiting YEARSSS for prospects at C to look as promising as KK and suzuki do and they are not going to trade that away. Toews is awesome but hes also 32 years old not and thats not something you build the future on.

CHI does not do that Vegas trade, Kaner is still an 80+pt winger if they want him Krebs or Glass with Tuch are going the other way...you want top end players you have to pay top end prospects.

FLA says no as well....Keith for 3 more years at 5.5M they already have Yandle at 6.3 for 3 more years who produces better...no point in them taking Keith.

Tuch in playoffs, that’s the biggest thing that sticks out to me with him. Not to mention a sweetheart deal if he breaks out.

Dude no. We don't have to trade Kane to get those players. If you want them set it up around a different player. But Kane is not getting traded for a 3rd liner, 4th liner and what ever else is included. Including the 7M cap dump

I read this comment twice and on the second that I read it, I actually thought it was a perfect quote from 2017. That’s what Vegas is, they’re a team of 2nd liners all over the lineup playing for the unit. That’s the new era we’re in. Star players aren’t the end all be all. The blues proved last year too. Jesus, the lightning finally showed this year how amazing they are with a perfectly balanced unit. Even for all their star players, you take any piece out of that teams and the whole thing falls.

In other words, the hawks don’t think this way. They’re horribly unbalanced and they don’t have an actual plan on how to fix it. They’re just throwing the smokescreen at fans to save face and their jobs.

For the record, if I were Vegas, I’d probably reject this trade. Kane’s analytics have always been horrible and wouldn’t fit in their team nor would it push them over the line.

I'm not disagreeing that Vegas is a well structured team and that "2nd liners" is a smart way of building a team.

But that doesn't mean you trade elite superstars for 2nd liners. Correction: 3rd and 4th liners in this example

Should Edmonton offer McDavid for this return, "because it's more balanced"?

You’re comparing 23 year old mcdavid to 32 year old Kane and toews? All due respect that’s not the best argument. Also, not to bring up a harsh wound, but I’m just gonna say panarin for Saad. Panarin = elite, Saad = top six (1st liner simply cuz he was a hawk, most other places he’s a 2nd liner without question).

I didn't compare Kane to McDavid.

I'm asking if you think Edmonton should trade McDavid for 2nd liners? You know, because those 2nd liners are a more well structured team.