lol Buddy I don’t got no Problem with u, it’s just that u came at me first calling me delusional. And I’d honestly say, jones is obv a top-4 guy on any team, but I just can’t see him being anywhere near the Norris trophy caliber dmen

I said calling Jones "the most overrated player in the league" was delusional. That's all I was referring to. Admittedly, the advanced stats take a dip when you scope it to just the last 2 years and in a league of "what have you done for me lately" that is a valid point. When you compare his average PDO, utilization rate, GP60, etc, over the last 5 years, comparatively by age to where they were at his age, and
he's up there with Hedman, Carlsson, etc.

I don't think he's even scratched the surface of his ceiling yet, where a lot of those other players have already peaked. That was my point of why I think a Norris, or multiple Norris trophies are in his future.