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Ottawa would you do this

Created by: sammy1414
Initial Creation Date: Feb 5, 2021
Published: Feb 5 at 11:51
Team: 2020-21 Edmonton Oilers
Trades
EDM
  1. Stützle, Tim
OTT
  1. Holloway, Dylan [Reserve List]
  2. Broberg, Philip
  3. Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
  4. Puljujärvi, Jesse
Buyouts
  • Andrej Sekera: $2,500,000
  • Benoit Pouliot: $1,333,333
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Milan Lucic: $750,000 (13%)
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2021
EDM
EDM
EDM
PIT
EDM
2022
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
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2023
EDM
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$72,888,824$341,326$3,230,000$8,611,176
Left WingCenterRight Wing
EDM
Neal, James
$5,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
EDM
McDavid, Connor
$12,500,000
C
UFA - 6
EDM
Yamamoto, Kailer
$894,166
RW, C
RFA - 1
OTT
Stützle, Tim
$925,000
C, LW
RFA - 3
EDM
Draisaitl, Leon
$8,500,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 5
EDM
Kahun, Dominik
$975,000
LW, RW, C
RFA - 1
EDM
Nygård, Joakim
$875,000
LW
UFA - 1
EDM
Haas, Gaëtan
$915,000
C
UFA - 1
EDM
Kassian, Zack
$3,200,000
RW
UFA - 4
EDM
Archibald, Josh
$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
EDM
Turris, Kyle
$1,650,000
C
UFA - 2
EDM
Chiasson, Alex
$2,150,000
RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
EDM
Nurse, Darnell
$5,600,000
LD
UFA - 2
EDM
Larsson, Adam
$4,166,666
RD
UFA - 1
EDM
Koskinen, Mikko
$4,500,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
EDM
Koekkoek, Slater
$850,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
EDM
Barrie, Tyson
$3,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
EDM
Grosenick, Troy
$700,000
G
UFA - 1
EDM
Lagesson, William
$725,000
LD
RFA - 2
EDM
Bouchard, Evan
$863,333
RD
RFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
EDM
Jones, Caleb
$850,000
LD
RFA - 2
EDM
Bear, Ethan
$2,000,000
RD
RFA - 2
EDM
Klefbom, Oscar
$4,167,000
LD
UFA - 3
EDM
Russell, Kris
$4,000,000
LD/RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
EDM
Smith, Mike
$1,500,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1
Taxi Squad
EDM
Khaira, Jujhar
$1,200,000 ($125,000)
C, LW
RFA - 1
EDM
Ennis, Tyler
$1,000,000 ($0)
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
EDM
Skinner, Stuart
$784,166 ($0)
G
RFA - 1
EDM
Wells, Dylan
$745,000 ($0)
G
RFA - 1
EDM
Shore, Devin
$700,000 ($0)
LW, C, RW
RFA - 1
EDM
Russell, Patrick
$700,000 ($0)
RW
UFA - 1

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Feb 5 at 5:04
#26
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Quoting: CD282
Holloway is 1.6 P/GP in NCAA right now. Nick Paul was 0.69 P/GP in a lower league in his draft+1. That's an extremely unintelligent take.


Holloway has had a hot start to his season, that's true, but he was not so great in the WJC. Remember, he's playing with Cole Caufield now, and a lot of that increase is from that. Yes they were both playing there last season, but that doesn't put them on the same line last year. Holloway may continue to have a great season, but until he does, it's just a hot start.

Holloway will be a good NHL player, but like a lot of prospects, they aren't what we want them to be. Holloway will be a middle6 forward, and if he's as good as Nick Paul, that's a good thing, if he's better, that's great, but he doesn't have that ceiling yet, and playing with Caufield isn't going to change that, despite the hot start.

Edit: as for Nick Paul's development, he's a late bloomer, so compare earlier numbers all you want, some players develop later, and some are great in college and never make the NHL. It is what it is, and you're entitled to think anything you want about your teams prospects, in the end, we have nothing to do with their careers, and can only chat about it, and make up trade scenarios and argue over them. Don't let your ego cloud your vision. Holloway is a good prospect, be glad your team has him.
Feb 8 at 10:41
#27
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 13,037
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Quoting: sensibleguy
Holloway has had a hot start to his season, that's true, but he was not so great in the WJC. Remember, he's playing with Cole Caufield now, and a lot of that increase is from that. Yes they were both playing there last season, but that doesn't put them on the same line last year. Holloway may continue to have a great season, but until he does, it's just a hot start.

Holloway will be a good NHL player, but like a lot of prospects, they aren't what we want them to be. Holloway will be a middle6 forward, and if he's as good as Nick Paul, that's a good thing, if he's better, that's great, but he doesn't have that ceiling yet, and playing with Caufield isn't going to change that, despite the hot start.

Edit: as for Nick Paul's development, he's a late bloomer, so compare earlier numbers all you want, some players develop later, and some are great in college and never make the NHL. It is what it is, and you're entitled to think anything you want about your teams prospects, in the end, we have nothing to do with their careers, and can only chat about it, and make up trade scenarios and argue over them. Don't let your ego cloud your vision. Holloway is a good prospect, be glad your team has him.


Holloway is not on the same line as Caufield. And he's outscoring him anyhow: 21 points in his past 10 games is All-World for any player let alone a guy in his draft+1 year.
Feb 8 at 11:12
#28
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Quoting: CD282
Holloway is not on the same line as Caufield. And he's outscoring him anyhow: 21 points in his past 10 games is All-World for any player let alone a guy in his draft+1 year.


I haven’t watched their games so I’m not sure who his regular line mates are, but when you have three forwards with production numbers far above the rest of the forwards, that’s indicative of being linemates.

Holloway is a good prospect, but Ottawa has a lot of good prospects, Stuetzle is a great prospect, and Stuetzle is here, and he’s proving the scouts right.

https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking/

Look at numbers 2, 12, and 57

Then look at numbers 31, 62, 64, 75, Ottawa has their good forward prospects, let them have a great one, and be happy with your team’s prospects.
Feb 8 at 11:33
#29
Joined: Mar 2017
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Quoting: sensibleguy
I haven’t watched their games so I’m not sure who his regular line mates are, but when you have three forwards with production numbers far above the rest of the forwards, that’s indicative of being linemates.

Holloway is a good prospect, but Ottawa has a lot of good prospects, Stuetzle is a great prospect, and Stuetzle is here, and he’s proving the scouts right.

https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking/

Look at numbers 2, 12, and 57

Then look at numbers 31, 62, 64, 75, Ottawa has their good forward prospects, let them have a great one, and be happy with your team’s prospects.


??

I AM happy with the Oilers prospects. If you're under the impression that I'm arguing for this trade you're badly mistaken. I'm just dismantling your putrid "Nic Paul" take in regards to Holloway. It's one of the most idiotic comparisons I've seen on these pages.
Feb 8 at 11:48
#30
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Quoting: CD282
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I AM happy with the Oilers prospects. If you're under the impression that I'm arguing for this trade you're badly mistaken. I'm just dismantling your putrid "Nic Paul" take in regards to Holloway. It's one of the most idiotic comparisons I've seen on these pages.


Nick Paul is an NHL player, and Dyla Holloway isn’t. Until Dyla makes it to the NHL, and proves to be as good as Nick Paul, he isn’t.

This is the first decent season Dyla has had. Prior to this season, he was a smaller version of Nick Paul. Look at his skills, and Nick Paul’s skills, and you’ll see some similarities. Holloway the finished product will probably be better than Nick Paul, but as I posted the first time, “if he’s as good as Nick Paul, that’s a good thing, if he’s better, that’s great”, no where did I post his ceiling was Nick Paul. Learn to read, and comprehend, before calling a comparison that wasn’t even made, idiotic.

The edit was just some information about Nick Paul, nothing more.
Feb 8 at 12:31
#31
Joined: Mar 2017
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Quoting: sensibleguy
Nick Paul is an NHL player, and Dyla Holloway isn’t. Until Dyla makes it to the NHL, and proves to be as good as Nick Paul, he isn’t.

Dude, you're just digging yourself in a hole here. Just admit you are dead wrong and stop already.
Feb 8 at 12:50
#32
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Quoting: CD282
Dude, you're just digging yourself in a hole here. Just admit you are dead wrong and stop already.


Time will tell, but one of us can see more than one possibility, and one of us has rose coloured glasses on.
Feb 8 at 1:43
#33
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Quoting: sensibleguy
Time will tell, but one of us can see more than one possibility, and one of us has rose coloured glasses on.


One of us is saying that any prospect has less value than a 4th line plug because he hasn't played NHL games yet, the other is more realistic about prospect values.
Feb 8 at 2:01
#34
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One of us is saying that any prospect has less value than a 4th line plug because he hasn't played NHL games yet, the other is more realistic about prospect values.


Not what I posted, nice try.

I’m curious though, does it hurt your feelings that I have a different opinion than you on Holloway? I hurt a guys feelings about 6 or 7 years ago when I suggested Zibanejad was as good as Schwartz, he was really really upset, and argued over how idiotic my take was. Most people stop trying to convince me of their opinion after a few tries, but you seems really really upset I won’t agree with you. Other people see what they see, and if it isn’t what you see, doesn’t make them right or wrong, maybe they see something you don’t see, or vice versa. But this endless need to convince me you’re right, or more accurately that you think I’m wrong, is borderline obsessive. Move on, we don’t agree, but as I posted before, time will tell.

Holloway is a good prospect, and has had a good start to his season after a meh WJC. Be glad he’s part of your team. Move on.
 
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