Long term outlook

RESERVE LIST	YEARS	CAP HIT
Menell, Brennan	2	$850,000

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Kaprizov, Kirill	5	$7,500,000
Fiala, Kevin	4	$6,800,000

UFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Cole, Ian	2	$2,100,000
Goligoski, Alex	1	$2,100,000

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$81,500,000	$70,996,794	$0	$732,500	$10,503,206

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Boldy, Matthew $880,833$880,833 ($600,000$600K) RW, LW UFA - 2	Eriksson Ek, Joel $5,250,000$5,250,000 C UFA - 8	Fiala, Kevin $6,800,000$6,800,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
	Rossi, Marco $894,167$894,167 C RFA - 4	Kaprizov, Kirill $7,500,000$7,500,000 LW UFA - 5
Zuccarello, Mats $6,000,000$6,000,000 RW, LW NMC UFA - 3	Dvorak, Christian $4,450,000$4,450,000 C UFA - 4	Greenway, Jordan $2,100,000$2,100,000 LW, RW UFA - 1
Foligno, Marcus $3,100,000$3,100,000 RW, LW UFA - 3	Sturm, Nico $725,000$725,000 C UFA - 1	Hartman, Ryan $1,700,000$1,700,000 C, RW UFA - 3
Bjugstad, Nick $900,000$900,000 C, RW UFA - 1	Frost, Morgan $863,333$863,333 C RFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Suter, Ryan $3,650,000$3,650,000 LD NMC UFA - 4	Spurgeon, Jared $7,575,000$7,575,000 RD NMC UFA - 6	Talbot, Cam $3,666,667$3,666,667 G UFA - 2
Brodin, Jonas $6,000,000$6,000,000 LD NMC UFA - 7	Addison, Calen $795,000$795,000 ($132,500$132K) RD RFA - 2	Kähkönen, Kaapo $725,000$725,000 G UFA - 1
	Goligoski, Alex $2,100,000$2,100,000 LD/RD UFA - 1
Cole, Ian $2,100,000$2,100,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Menell, Brennan $850,000$850,000 D UFA - 1

Jul. 10, 2021 at 8:38 p.m.

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I like a lot of the ideas here, but I would have to believe that offer gets beat by someone else if Dvorak is available.

Jul. 10, 2021 at 8:50 p.m.

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Change the 2nd to 1st on proposal #1

Jul. 10, 2021 at 9:12 p.m.

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Quoting: Clement

Change the 2nd to 1st on proposal #1

The Flyers would decline that

Jul. 10, 2021 at 9:52 p.m.

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Quoting: DH28Hockey

The Flyers would decline that

Well wild say no then.

Jul. 11, 2021 at 12:52 a.m.

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Quoting: Clement

Well wild say no then.

There is not a more overvalued player in professional sports than how Wild fans view Matt Dumba right now. Look at any comparable player to his performance in the last several years and the return they receive in a trade.

Devon Toews for instance, performed better than Dumba last season, had RFA status, and was a year away from being in consideration for expansion draft issues, and costed 2 2nds. A player literally more valuable than Dumba in nearly every capacity went for 2 2nd round picks. How a guy who has a worse recent performance record and a far worse contract situation is worth way more is unimaginable to me

Jul. 11, 2021 at 2:11 a.m.

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Quoting: DH28Hockey

There is not a more overvalued player in professional sports than how Wild fans view Matt Dumba right now. Look at any comparable player to his performance in the last several years and the return they receive in a trade.

Devon Toews for instance, performed better than Dumba last season, had RFA status, and was a year away from being in consideration for expansion draft issues, and costed 2 2nds. A player literally more valuable than Dumba in nearly every capacity went for 2 2nd round picks. How a guy who has a worse recent performance record and a far worse contract situation is worth way more is unimaginable to me

Because islanders sent him away as cap dump, & Colorado gm is known for basically cheating every team,,/ winning every trade

Jul. 11, 2021 at 10:55 a.m.

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Quoting: DH28Hockey

There is not a more overvalued player in professional sports than how Wild fans view Matt Dumba right now. Look at any comparable player to his performance in the last several years and the return they receive in a trade.

Devon Toews for instance, performed better than Dumba last season, had RFA status, and was a year away from being in consideration for expansion draft issues, and costed 2 2nds. A player literally more valuable than Dumba in nearly every capacity went for 2 2nd round picks. How a guy who has a worse recent performance record and a far worse contract situation is worth way more is unimaginable to me

Well the reason is Dumba’s upside. I agree that he’s overvalued and I don’t believe he is ever going to be better than what we’re seeing, but Dumba has a notably higher ceiling than Devon Toews. So that’s where the valuations are coming from. Dumba has largely been a shadow of his former self since his injury, but he was pacing to be pretty high end before that. I’m not saying I agree that he will yield a 1st +, but I understand why certain fans value him they way they do.

Jul. 11, 2021 at 11:13 a.m.

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Jul. 11, 2021 at 12:13 p.m.

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Edited Jul. 11, 2021 at 12:20 p.m.

Quoting: DH28Hockey

There is not a more overvalued player in professional sports than how Wild fans view Matt Dumba right now. Look at any comparable player to his performance in the last several years and the return they receive in a trade.

Devon Toews for instance, performed better than Dumba last season, had RFA status, and was a year away from being in consideration for expansion draft issues, and costed 2 2nds. A player literally more valuable than Dumba in nearly every capacity went for 2 2nd round picks. How a guy who has a worse recent performance record and a far worse contract situation is worth way more is unimaginable to me

I agree with this. Wild fans need to adjust their expectations for a return on any Dumba trade. As its been reported multiple times Guerin has been open to moving him for the last couple seasons. Teams know the expansion situation and his real salary is 7+.

The Wild aren't getting an asset and a 1st for Dumba. Guerin needs to get what he can and move on.

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Jul. 13, 2021 at 2:41 a.m.

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Quoting: DH28Hockey

There is not a more overvalued player in professional sports than how Wild fans view Matt Dumba right now. Look at any comparable player to his performance in the last several years and the return they receive in a trade.

Devon Toews for instance, performed better than Dumba last season, had RFA status, and was a year away from being in consideration for expansion draft issues, and costed 2 2nds. A player literally more valuable than Dumba in nearly every capacity went for 2 2nd round picks. How a guy who has a worse recent performance record and a far worse contract situation is worth way more is unimaginable to me

This trade looks to take place AFTER the expansion draft so that point falls flat. And Minneosta doesn't have the same issue as NYI last year with leverage. It's not completely different but it's not the same whatsoever here either.

And Dumba just had a really good year too

So I see your point but I also see a lot of holes in it

And this is a matter of opinion but I really don't think Guerin is as shaky of a GM as Lou

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