Funny how the price for varlamov seems to keep going up but the need for him in Edmonton seems to be dropping. Every passing day seems far less likely will see anything happen

Price isn't going up this guy is just slightly delusional

I've read over your posts, never anything of substance to say it seems. Clearing Koskinen on his own will cost you the equivalent of a 2nd round pick (Lavoie). A 1st + 3rd for a legit starter signed through next season at a good price is fair value

Did Mike Smith suddenly stop being 39 years old and did Koskinen suddenly become decent? Damn I missed a lot recently

Kosk has always been a solid back up just shouldn’t be used as a starter both smith and skinner have shown to be very capable of winning games.

Funny you think there is price attached to moving kosk. Let’s pretend oilers would be interested how else could the trade go threw? Thinking Edmonton will pay extra to move an expiring contract will just result in the islanders being stuck with what they have. Why would islanders want to move varlamov? Remove cap for this offseason right? Maybe that’s similar to why oilers might rather kosk he provides that varlamov makes things tighter not to mention that second year is very complicated for Edmonton with having smith under contract and skinner not being able to be sent down. Think what want about smith I can guarantee you the oilers organization thinks very highly of him and value his leadership and would still consider him the starter.

This. All of this. Is the reason why the Oilers fail. Year after year. So...you actually think Mikko Koskinen has trade value and won't cost anything to clear? LOLOL
The Islanders could do much worse than to be 'stuck' with Varlamov and Sorokin as their two goaltenders through next season, but they can also cash in on Varlamov and roll with Sorokin instead (which is the smart thing to do here).
It's laughable that you are trying to compare Varlamov (a legitimate starting goaltender) and Koskinen (an overpaid, barely backup quality goalie).
You can 'think highly of Smith and call him a starter' all you want, it won't make it true. The Oilers are nearing the end of their rope and any lack of significant playoff success this season will be an utter failure.

How does moving Koskinen cost a 2nd. Moving ladd who had 2 years at 5.5 cost 2 2nds so Koskinen who has post of a year left at 4.5 isn't going top cost a 2nd. Max it takes is a 3rd. Varlamov hasn't been the greatest this year and is also 34 years old already, that's gonna count against him. There's a reason a 1st and Koskinen for Varlamov has been the going rate on CF, because that's fair value.

The point was if get stuck up on kosk being included then there isn’t a deal and islanders get nothing. This thought that Edmonton would pay more to include him is just stupidity. But there is no point in debating over a deal Edmonton won’t be involved in.

Well...this comment only took a few hours to age extremely poorly lmfao

In the end it's really Edmonton and McDavid's loss if they want to try and roll with two ****ty goalies as usual. NYI loses absolutely nothing by holding onto Koskinen until next season, while Edmonton...well, they're just good at losing

The stupidity here is thinking that Koskinen can be moved for free as you stated. This makes zero sense for two reasons:
1) For non-playoff teams, he's a soon-to-be 34 year-old goaltender signed at $4.5M with a save percentage below .900 the last two seasons and on an expiring contract
2) For playoff teams: he's a soon-to-be 34 year-old goaltender signed at $4.5M with a save percentage below .900 the last two seasons and on an expiring contract

1. Ladd cost two 2nds and a 3rd to move
2. Anyone with an ounce of knowledge about the NHL knows that cap space goes at a premium during the actual season and especially leading up to the deadline. See: Foligno, Nick. Savard, David. (both middlemen teams got paid a 4th for retaining between $1M and $1.35M, which clearly indicates that $4.5M would cost at least a 2nd round pick to clear
3. "There's a reason a 1st and Koskinen for Varlamov has been the going rate on CF, because that's fair value." Lol

How does a 4th for 1.25 become a 2nd for 4.5????? Also retaining money isn't comparable to a bad contract because 1- he could play better, 2- you can move it if you want, and 3- you could send him down and have less dead cap.

As for ladd the 3rd is conditional and it was there to safeguard for potential LTIR. It also was a 2nd year and every extra year costs exponentially more.

Dafuq. "You could move him if you want"...this is a trade deadline situation...

A bad contract is eligible to be moved whether in this case or any other. Any retained salary you're stuck with no matter what.

So what you're insinuating here is that: a team will take Koskinen at the trade deadline, his play will improve, and they will trade him after the deadline is over? Checks out.

No. Its not necessarily a Koskinen deal. I was showing you how a bad contract and retained salary are not comparable as one is bad cap space and one is dead cap space. And therefore your comparison to the Savard and Foligno deals has no basis.

Those actually have direct basis because they're real-life deadline examples. Koskinen in this case would be the equivalent of "retained salary". He's the definition of a cap dump. You're grasping at straws in the dark

Lmao I just showed you 3 ways that retained salary is way different than bad salary yet you skate right over that and proceed to call them equivalent when they aren't.
I also see how you just completely ignored your valuation issue. If 1.25 costs a 4th then how does 4.5 cost a 2nd?