Ngl, was gonna do an AGM bringing Kessel back, could see it happening

Islanders accept, plan a parade

trade 1: woof

trade 2: let the hot dog cart guy know his kids can go back to private school

Trade 1: way too much from the Leafs. Perhaps drop the first. Or better drop Sandin and add someone way less valuable than Sandin.

Trade 2: It will cost less. The rumour is Arizona has been shopping him for a third

you're underestimating how much negative value Mrazek is adding to that trade. Islanders(hell, pretty much any team) don't want 2 more years of Mrazek getting $3.8M, but these trades don't work unless you get him off the team. Islanders don't *have* to move either guy, and can probably get at least a 2nd+a prospect for each player. If you don't think getting those two guys PLUS dumping Mrazek's contract is worth a mid/late 1st and Sandin, so be it, but the Islanders don't have to just settle for what they can get at this year's deadline for those 2 players.

Mrazek can be a solid starter but he hasn't been great in Toronto, if you put him behind a good Barry Trotz defence he would be in the same form as he was in Carolina.

no way islanders consider that.

that would be good for the leafs if that's the case. maybe 3rd + anderson instead.

How on earth is dumping Mrazek worth that when you paid less to dump 2 years of a clearly worse (in the AHL) Ladd who made more?

Mrazek is having a bad year, but is a career 1b goalie. I don't deny it will cost a bit to move him, but not that much.

Mrazek in Carolina was one good season (2018-19: 40 GS, .914 SV%, 2.39 GAA, 4.5 GSAA), one mediocre season (2019-20: 38 GS, .905, 2.69, -5.4), and one hot streak (2020-21: 12 GS, .923, 2.06, 4.5). He's also a virtual lock to miss significant time with some sort of injury every year, which definitely hurts his value. And your last point is the most important - obviously, the Trotz system has a way of helping goalies put up better stats (just look at Robin Lehner & Thomas Greiss's numbers since leaving.) If I'm the Islanders, why am I taking on 2 more years of Petr Mrazek at $3.8M to back up Ilya Sorokin, when I can just sign a UFA like Martin Jones for half the cost to give me similar numbers for the 20-25 starts I'm going to need him for?

Nah man. 3.8m for 2 years is palatable. Teams that want a goalie would surely take a risk on him especially if they are getting assets back. But those assets are like a mid pick or a B prospect. Not a young 1st round pick Dman that is poised to be a top 4 guy.

I could see this trade being:

Mrazek
1st rounder
Roni Hirvonen
Joseph Duszak

For

Varlamov
Mayfield

I didn't say it would be a mid/late 1st & Sandin to just dump Mrazek, I said that I didn't think that package was enough to dump Mrazek AND get a season+ of Scott Mayfield & Semyon Varlamov.

Mayfield can bring back a 1st, or a 2nd and a prospect. Same for Varlamov. So any package for them should be at least a 1st & a prospect - which is what's here. Mrazek probably needs at least a 3rd rounder attached to him to get the Islanders to take him, which is why I think this package needs more. Toronto can't do this deal without dumping Mrazek or the Islanders retaining, either of which is going to raise the cost paid to the Islanders.

First: highlighting that one part to point out that the Islanders are not a team that wants a goalie; in fact, they are a team actively shopping a (better) goalie because they have what they think is a franchise goalie in Sorokin. Mrazek makes only marginally less than Varlamov ($5M vs. $3.8M), which isn't an issue because the Islanders have no cap issues this season or anything looming next season. That extra year for Mrazek actually can be a problem for them, seeing as the 2023 offseason is when they're going to need new contracts for Mat Barzal & Oliver Wahlstrom, and having $3.8M tied up in a backup goalie isn't ideal when you're trying to put aside cap for them.

As far as your proposal: Hirvonen doesn't move the needle for the Islanders that much. Go look at their center depth (and the term those guys have) and come back with a winger or an LD prospect instead (like Sandin). Duszak is a looong stretch to call a prospect, seeing as he's a 24 year old, 5'9" RHD who hasn't been able to put himself above anyone else on Toronto's mediocre blue line.

You're also missing the point that Varlamov & Mayfield are *NOT* players the Islanders need to move. Both of them are signed for next year to contracts that do not keep Lou from making whatever moves he wants to make this summer, unless he wants to go crazy and give $10M to Filip Forsberg or something like that. Because of that added value, you're going to have give the Islanders a trade that forces their hand to move these guys - otherwise, they'll stick with their plan of treating this season as an aberration and getting back into contention with those guys in 2022-23. I've said that the absolute floor they should accept this TDL/offseason for either guy is a 2nd & a B+ prospect. So if you want to do a deal like that, maybe it happens? Or you could up the 2 2nds to something like a 1st & 4th, up the 2 B+ prospects to a guy with higher upside like Sandin, and get to dump a contract that you obviously want to move (or else you wouldn't be shopping for Varlamov in the first place.)

Fair enough. Then the deal ain't getting done.

Sandin is a non starter for the Leafs though unless an absolute stud is coming back.

The biggest issue is that I don't think the teams lineup on prospects - the Leafs' best D prospect is Niemela, who plays the right side, where the Islanders would only need to fill RD3 after this trade (Ryan Pulock has a long deal and Noah Dobson is not going anywhere anytime soon), so he's not necessarily the guy you wanna target. Sandin is a lefty shot, which is why I personally would want him for the Isles, but understand that the reason I want him is the same reason TML won't trade him. I also feel like most of Toronto's better prospects are a couple years away from contributing, which doesn't help an Islanders team looking to retool more than full rebuild; if they're moving Varly & Mayfield it's because they're getting assets that upgrade more pressing needs like a scoring winger or LD2. Toronto just doesn't have anything fitting that profile that they can ship out.