His player card is really good so idk what you mean? Idk why Boston fans want to trade him tbh probably because they already have their top 4 d men and they have 2 d making 3 million on the third pairing they’re trying to shed some cap space and nobody wants forbort

Those guys can’t carry a team, you’re neglecting the rest of the team. Connor Mcdavid is the best player in the world with incredible analytics, but the team around him wasn’t good which is why he hasn’t made it to the 2nd round in 5 years prior to this season

I get what ur saying and I don’t even disagree. I just don’t know why guys who play a small role on losing teams have good analytics, but Leddy who is consistently going far in the playoffs has terrible metrics. I genuinely don’t know and at some point I start to wonder if the numbers r that accurate.

Because Leddy has played on very good teams with strong goaltending.

This is where im going to have to disagree idk one isles fan that wanted to trade Toews everyone loved him

I get what u r telling me, and I always think you phrase ur arguments pretty well. It’s just that idk how much to trust the metrics when it seems like a lot of guys who player large roles on winning teams have terrible metrics, but guys with smaller roles on losing teams have good ones. I genuinely don’t understand it.

Idk I thought Husso was horrendous. He takes the wrong angle on a lot of shots and doesn’t control rebounds. I feel like with the Isles Leddy was ok at keeping shots to the outside. Also with his DZS’s in STL being so high, I wonder if that’s why he was getting so heavily out shot at 5 V 5.

Can you give some examples on players in larger roles on winning team with bad analytics?

IK that. I’m just saying that sometimes guys with middling metrics seem like they r helping their team a lot. Leddy made some mistakes as a player, but losing those zone exits/entries killed the isles.

I’ve seen plenty of isles fans on Twitter call for Toews to be traded after his series against Tampa

Devon Toews went from being my favourite d-man on the team when he first cracked the lineup to get this guy the hell off the team shortly after Pelech went down.

— Phil (@Philzfacts) November 20, 2020

I’d have to go thru and look tbh. I did a deep dive on former isles in the playoffs cause of Leddy, but haven’t had a chance to look at other teams metrics as much as I’d like. IK Pageau has middling metrics, but a lot of what I’ve read recently relates to the isles.

I personally loved Toews as an Islander, but I wasn’t on this site at the time so I can’t really back up any statements I make about not wanting him traded.

Husso was bad, I’m just talking about for the most part during the last 3 seasons.

Leddy was getting outshot at 5v5 because he’s not a good defenseman lol, the same thing happened on the isles we just had elite goaltending

There were people on this site trading Toews just to get rid of boychuks contract (before Boychuk went on LTIR).

I kind of get what ur saying. I’m just not sure how to reconcile that with his zone starts and zone exits and entries. That’s all. I think Leddy is kind of a unique case with that, but Gostisbehere had similar issues in Philly if I’m not mistaken.

I wouldn’t compare Leddy to Erik Johnson or Duncan Keith, but I guess those r the guys I’d probably have to use as examples of bad metrics and advancing in the playoffs.

Erik Johnson has good metrics, Duncan Keith isn’t good but he’s not as much of a liability as leddy. He also plays with two superstars in their prime and an elite forward core

Ghost was good in Philly, especially offensively (unlike Leddy). He got let down by bad goaltending and the blame went on him.

I shouldn’t be phrasing this as an argument. I’m trying to ask if Bailey and Leddy are gonna have worse metrics because they play in a lot of high leverage situations. Again I could be wrong on this, but I’m just confused about the discrepancy.

High leverage as in positive situations? Leddy gets a lot of Dzone starts and he’s a terrible defenseman, Bailey I’m pretty sure has over 55% ozone starts and this was the worst season of his career

Right so I guess my question is more along the lines of how to evaluate a players based on their role and the guys around them

Yeah my question is if the usage of these players is a bigger issue than the guys themselves. Could a change in scheme positively impact their numbers?

Oh ok gotcha. Most fans can’t properly evaluate things like driving offense and defensive ability , which is why I like to use analytics platforms that isolate a players impact (they account for zone starts, competition , quality of teammates)

Yeah I understand what you’re saying. For Leddy, he’s been bad under 3 coaches/schemes over last 2 seasons. He’s had poor analytics on all 3 teams. I don’t think a smaller role would change Baileys analytics, it would help the islanders because the less time he’s on the ice the better. He played on every line in the top 9 this season and he was equally as bad on all of them

I get what ur saying there, but how do they actually isolate impact? Cause I was wondering if a guys usage can impact his numbers. Like Bailey is a bad transition defender, but if he’s usually deep in the zone when a turnover happens isn’t it gonna be harder for him to get back? How do u calculate something like that?