That isn’t even close to DeBrincat

A top4 right shot OFD, a middle 6 forward, a 1st in the deepst draft since 03 and an A prospect for debrincat who has 1 yr left? hawks wont be getting much more than that cause he has 1yr left and you cant attach trade conditions dependant of if a guy re-signs or not anymore. if he had more than 1yr left i'd 100% agree but we know from trades past that value on guys with 1YL is much lower than it would be if they had some kind of term still.

Yeah, that is a terrible offer

He’s an RFA not a UFA so it’s a much different scenario. a likely late 1st and mid prospect and two overpaid players isn’t close

Bad analysis. He's an RFA, not a UFA and you 1000% attach that as part of the acquisition price. None of those prospects or the late 1st in 2023 move the needle for a 24 year old elite goal scorer. You have to give up a potential elite prospect as part of the package and there isn't a elite level prospect here.

bourgeault is an A grade prospect, you must not pay attention to the league-wide prospect pool if you think he is mid. who's stock is rising the more he plays. As for the RFA argument. it'd normally be valid but, he has arb rights which after the season he has posted, it will cost heaven and earth to sign him and if the team that aquires him is looking for a QO, that'd be 9.5mil. The only benefit would be the fact you'd have his rights for 1 yr...

given Chicago's and league's love of overvaluing OFD that are RHD that can QB a PP and transition the puck barrie will command value. Bourgeault is an A prospect and then you get a 1st rounder AND a roster players to slot in the 3rd line. IF he was with any kind of term then you have a case but given his specific RFA situation, he isn't going to get you the world because teams cant guarantee they will be able to even sign his QO.

If you can’t afford his QO you shouldn’t even bother trading for him considering other teams can afford him as well as the assets it will cost to acquire him.

Bourgault scored 75 points in the Q, which is typically the easiest junior league to score in. He is not a elite level prospect, he does not have elite level potential. He's a very good prospect, and projected as a top 6 player but he's not projected to be a elite franchise level player...you're smoking something if you believe that. Craig Button's rankings, largely respected in hockey circles, doesn't even rank him in the top 50 which came out late April. He's a good prospect but he can't be the centerpiece here. Holloway would be a better chance but not even sure he's enough as the centerpiece (I'm personally not all the high on Holloway).

In regards to the QO, yes he has a $9.5M QO which as of now is dead-on on what his deal should be worth...that's a no brainer for a team to work out a long term deal with Cat given the $9.5M QO for 1 year as the baseline. If his QO was $12M then you have a point.

nobody is going to move heaven and earth to trade for him though cause the hawks want to deal him and they are the ones on the clock to make a deal given that if they cant move him this yr his value will plumet. they will get solid pieces for him yes but he isn't getting you 2 firsts and A prospect a b prospect and roster player. no GM in their right might sniffs that kinda price tag. for chych the high ask makes sense cause he's got cost controlled term. Teams value term highly and that's been proven. I don't see debrincat being an exception

Hawks don’t even need to move him if they don’t want to. You’re not getting a 40+ goal scorer for table scraps. It’s either pay up or someone else will.

I mean button's evaluations are suspect at best for a while now. bourgeault is a strong goal scorer with great 2 way play that projected to be a two way top6 C that can run a pk. that plus rhd ofd plus 3rd line roster player AND a 1st will be around the package value you'll probably get for cat. teams arent going to gift wrap the entire farm and all their 1sts for him

who would be in the marketplace to pay the kitchen sink for him. the thing is if they don't trade him this yr then they risk either trading his rights (at a lower cost) or QO'ing him and trying to move him as a pending UFA. if hawks want great value for him, he's gotta be dealt this yr

Not many 40 goal scorers on the market. The Hawks have nothing but time

The problem is your offer isn’t even great value and multiple teams like Ottawa and New Jersey have both the assets and cap space to make an offer Chicago will accept. Davidson isn’t an idiot. Barrie is a liability and would block our prospects, Foegele is overpaid trash and the first is likely ein the late 20s. Where is this great value? That’s a worse return than what we got for Hagel.

yes a yr that's their time to get good value for him. like seravalli said, its not a matter of if he's traded its when. either way there's not real winning in a cat deal. hawks will be getting some roster pieces and futures for him.

hagel was a typical tdl overpay that is a cost controlled player on a career yr. you want peak value for cat? best bet is tdl next yr IMO. but if you're saying a solidified 3rd liner and A prospect is trash then by all means. but don't think for a second that NHL GM's don't have high value for barrie cause we've seen guys like him command very high prices for years now across the league cause there's always been a premium on OFD RHD that can score a boatload of points. also what guys do you even have in the system on d. the shelves are bare in that system on the back end still

We are rebuilding. Foegele and Barrie are absolutely worthless to us. 1 prospect and a first is essentially all that we’d be getting. We have Mitchell and Regula waiting to come up on the right side. Davidson isn’t Stan Bowman who will overpay for garbage players.

No, that's inaccurate. Hawks are going to get a gold chip level prospect that has a franchise level ceiling, bourgeault doesn't pass that test even if he's projected as a top 6. Cat can pull in more then Eichel, why, because he's a RFA so the team that acquires him gets him for his career not just 4 years like Eichel, isn't injured with a unknown long term prognosis, doesn't carry a $10M cap hit that is being traded in the season when teams can't afford it, isn't in a public dispute with his current team, and is a year younger and never had injuries.

You literally are going to have 30 teams interested in Cat and if you think this is the best offer, you're smoking something. This is a terrible offer...Barrie is a cap dump to us, Foegele isn't worth much of anything so you've offered a prospect with top 6 hopes and a late 1st....not even close.

This shows right here you don't know what you're talking about. Dude, you are so off base in your assessment across the board and multiple people telling you that but you persist...just stop. You literally would be arguing with the professionals like The Athletic on what Cat is worth...it's widely reported on what he will pull in if the Hawks want to make a deal and this ain't it.