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Created by: jonh514
Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 24, 2022
Published: Sep. 24, 2022
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There are players at Habs pro camp who deserve to be on an NHL team but there is no place for them in this lineup:

RHP (LW/RW)
Emil Heineman (LW)
Jesse Ylonen (RW)
Joel Armia (RW)

If I was another team looking for depth at FWD... I would come get some of these guys. These guys do not deserve to languish in Laval or the SHL. They should be in The Show.
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MTL
    2nd round pick at a minimum. This guy has it!
    ANA
    1. Heineman, Emil
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    Traded anywhere
    2.
    MTL
      3rd round pick. This guy is a Brendan Gallagher in waiting. All heart and grit.
      ANA
      1. Harvey-Pinard, Rafaël
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      Traded anywhere
      3.
      MTL
        3rd round pick. This guy is ready to contribute. He may never earn a top 6 role (though he still may) but he has nothing left to learn in the AHL
        ANA
        1. Ylönen, Jesse
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        4.
        MTL
          Equivalent cap back, hopefully on D. If a team is feeling generous they can throw us a late pick.
          ANA
          1. Armia, Joel
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          Armia should be playing on a 3rd line for a contender. He does not deserve what's happening to his career in Montreal. His contract is ugly which is why he is still a hab.
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          Sep. 25, 2022 at 7:00 a.m.
          #26
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          Quoting: DefenseFirst
          Maybe. What i think is far far far more likely is that you fell in love with some random prospects because you’re a fan. It happens. But they’re probably not legit NHLers. If Montreal was overflowing with legit NHLers, they probably wouldn’t be such a bad NHL team.

          Stands to reason here - given that they’re focused on the future, that the habs would prioritize development of young players over aging bad contracts, no?


          Is there one of RHP, Heineman, RHP you DON'T think is NHL-ready? If not, why not?
          Sep. 25, 2022 at 10:32 a.m.
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          Quoting: jonh514
          Is there one of RHP, Heineman, RHP you DON'T think is NHL-ready? If not, why not?


          The only NHL ready guy is Jesse Ylönen
          RHP might be, but he needs to play a couple games in the big league to see if he belongs there. As for Heineman, no he isn’t NHL ready. Mesar Beck Roy Mysak are all minimum 2 years away. We will have a Laval Rocket team composed of Farrell Roy Kidney Mysak Mesar like next year. Slafkovsky, RHP & Ylönen will play in the AHL this season, but will fight for a spot next year. MTL are stock with bad contract and they gonna die with those cap dumps (Gallagher,Armia,Hoffman)
          Sep. 26, 2022 at 7:19 a.m.
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          Quoting: jonh514
          Is there one of RHP, Heineman, RHP you DON'T think is NHL-ready? If not, why not?


          I don’t think heineman is likely NHL ready. 20 year olds that haven’t played a single professional game in north america generally aren’t ready for the NHL. It’s exceptionally rare.
          Who is RHP?
          Sep. 26, 2022 at 7:20 a.m.
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          Quoting: DefenseFirst
          I don’t think heineman is likely NHL ready. 20 year olds that haven’t played a single professional game in north america generally aren’t ready for the NHL. It’s exceptionally rare.
          Who is RHP?


          Rafael Harvey-Pinard
          Sep. 26, 2022 at 7:21 a.m.
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          Quoting: DefenseFirst
          I don’t think heineman is likely NHL ready. 20 year olds that haven’t played a single professional game in north america generally aren’t ready for the NHL. It’s exceptionally rare.
          Who is RHP?


          Heineman has been lighting up the development camp. Consistent scoring with his NHL shot. Skating is there as well.

          Defense is probably not where it needs to be, but the Habs already have that issue in spades.
          Sep. 26, 2022 at 7:25 a.m.
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          Quoting: jonh514
          Rafael Harvey-Pinard


          Lol why would anyone that isn’t a habs fan know that?

          Anyhow, on a halfway decent NHL team, he’s probably not an NHLer. I’m not going to pretend to know a ton about him, but I think I can make some educated guesses here. He’s super undersized, and over 25% of his AHL production came on the powerplay. Think that guys going to get powerplay in the NHL? Doubt it. I think it’s highly likely he’s stuck in the, “not good enough to be a top six NHLer, can’t play a bottom six role.”
          Sep. 26, 2022 at 7:26 a.m.
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          Quoting: jonh514
          Heineman has been lighting up the development camp. Consistent scoring with his NHL shot. Skating is there as well.

          Defense is probably not where it needs to be, but the Habs already have that issue in spades.

          Every NHL team has a half dozen guys that are lighting up development camp. It’s development camp….
          Sep. 26, 2022 at 7:52 a.m.
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          Quoting: DefenseFirst
          Every NHL team has a half dozen guys that are lighting up development camp. It’s development camp….


          Pro camp as well.
          Sep. 26, 2022 at 7:57 a.m.
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          Quoting: jonh514
          Pro camp as well.


          This happens with every team every year. Some 20 year old impresses. It’s incredibly rare that they’re an NHL player.
          Sep. 26, 2022 at 8:14 a.m.
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          Quoting: DefenseFirst
          Lol why would anyone that isn’t a habs fan know that?

          Anyhow, on a halfway decent NHL team, he’s probably not an NHLer. I’m not going to pretend to know a ton about him, but I think I can make some educated guesses here. He’s super undersized, and over 25% of his AHL production came on the powerplay. Think that guys going to get powerplay in the NHL? Doubt it. I think it’s highly likely he’s stuck in the, “not good enough to be a top six NHLer, can’t play a bottom six role.”


          Gallagher, Gionta, MSL, Caufield... Undersized players can play in the NHL and have meaningful impacts. I actually watch the games and the player, you just sit and judge based on absolutely 0 games watched. It's really sad...
          Sep. 26, 2022 at 8:20 a.m.
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          Gallagher, Gionta, MSL, Caufield... Undersized players can play in the NHL and have meaningful impacts. I actually watch the games and the player, you just sit and judge based on absolutely 0 games watched. It's really sad...


          Notice i never said, “he is not an NHLer.” So before you get super defensive, well - let me rephrase - before you go too far getting super defensive, just recognize that all I’m saying is that the odds aren’t in his favor. Case in point, to come up with relevant comparisons, you had to dig up two guys that are long since retired….only one of whom spent significant time in the AHL.

          Ever wonder why this guy only got a four game look last season? He played in the worst organization in the NHL, and could only crack the lineup for four games as a 23 year old. That usually doesn’t equate to an NHL player.
          Sep. 26, 2022 at 8:32 a.m.
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          Quoting: DefenseFirst
          This happens with every team every year. Some 20 year old impresses. It’s incredibly rare that they’re an NHL player.


          Since you are an expert...what is the percentage that quantifies incredibly rare? Where is your supporting data?
          Sep. 26, 2022 at 8:36 a.m.
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          Quoting: DefenseFirst
          Notice i never said, “he is not an NHLer.” So before you get super defensive, well - let me rephrase - before you go too far getting super defensive, just recognize that all I’m saying is that the odds aren’t in his favor. Case in point, to come up with relevant comparisons, you had to dig up two guys that are long since retired….only one of whom spent significant time in the AHL.

          Ever wonder why this guy only got a four game look last season? He played in the worst organization in the NHL, and could only crack the lineup for four games as a 23 year old. That usually doesn’t equate to an NHL player.


          Yes. He was not ready last year. This year however is another thing.

          I am defensive about anyone challenging my position of course .. but I am frustrated by anyone who projects themselves as an expert but does zero research. Basically you are saying you will not even look at a player play if he's under 5' 11"... This is why your opinion is totally biased and irrelevant.
          Sep. 26, 2022 at 8:43 a.m.
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          Yes. He was not ready last year. This year however is another thing.

          I am defensive about anyone challenging my position of course .. but I am frustrated by anyone who projects themselves as an expert but does zero research. Basically you are saying you will not even look at a player play if he's under 5' 11"... This is why your opinion is totally biased and irrelevant.


          When did i present myself as an expert?
          When did i say I’m not willing to look at a player if he’s under 5’11”
          The only thing i asserted is that it’s unlikely that a 20 year old who has never played a pro hockey game in North America, and a 23 year old undersized forward that couldn’t crack the NHLs worst lineup last year (for more than four throw-away games) likely aren’t NHL ready given how the NHL generally operates. That’s objectively true.
          Sep. 26, 2022 at 9:02 a.m.
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          Quoting: DefenseFirst
          When did i present myself as an expert?
          When did i say I’m not willing to look at a player if he’s under 5’11”
          The only thing i asserted is that it’s unlikely that a 20 year old who has never played a pro hockey game in North America, and a 23 year old undersized forward that couldn’t crack the NHLs worst lineup last year (for more than four throw-away games) likely aren’t NHL ready given how the NHL generally operates. That’s objectively true.


          Perhaps objectively true, but certainly not SUBJECTIVELY true. We are making an opinion about a player and you are trying to give us a lesson on statistics for players entering the league and using that as your measuring stick for whether you are right or wrong. It's a major bias...
          Sep. 26, 2022 at 11:25 a.m.
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          Perhaps objectively true, but certainly not SUBJECTIVELY true. We are making an opinion about a player and you are trying to give us a lesson on statistics for players entering the league and using that as your measuring stick for whether you are right or wrong. It's a major bias...


          Go back and read what i wrote. Judging from your last couple posts you read me saying, “these guys are not NHL players.” That’s not what I said. I said it’s highly unlikely that they are. There is room for that objective truth, along with your subjective opinion (nothing can really be subjectively true)
          Jan. 27, 2023 at 6:52 a.m.
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          Quoting: DefenseFirst
          I’m sure one of the worst teams in the NHL totally has an abundance of NHL ready talent that they aren’t going to use.


          RHP had a 3 point night last night and has 4 points in 5 games since being called up.

          Ylonen also has 2 points in 8 games.

          Seems like I was right about the bottom 6 depth in Laval!
          Jan. 27, 2023 at 7:01 a.m.
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          Quoting: jonh514
          RHP had a 3 point night last night and has 4 points in 5 games since being called up.

          Ylonen also has 2 points in 8 games.

          Seems like I was right about the bottom 6 depth in Laval!


          No it seems like you’re cherry picking small sample sizes.

          Duh.
           
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