Umm it’s not like the sabres are contending right now.

Ummm....exactly. Let's trade players for picks. That's going to make us contenders. I heard draft pick #234 scored a hat trick. Wow. Cool story. Draft picks suck. Give me players that can produce.

At this point in the season it would be unproductive to trade Casey for Duhaime and a second.
Comparing Casey to other Sabres does not negate that fact.
Surrendering 4 or more goals in each the last 3 games and playing the 7th, 8th and 9th defensemen in front of Comrie is the reason the Sabres are performing poorly.
Winning FO (which Casey can do) will win more games than winning the hit parade.
Casey (who PK's) has more value than a second and a forth liner, period!
The proposed trade is senseless.

Is there a different guy in the league with the nickname "Mitts", because I dont think we are talking about the same player. Casey is bad, thats it. While the prospects may not be as good as Mittelstadt the bar is really low so I got confidence.

Also Casey isnt a top PP and PK guy either, regardless of stats. The sabres PP is god awful and the second unit is a different kind of bad. The same second unit where ole Mitts constantly loses puck battles and cant do jack.

You forgot to make an excuse for Quinn sitting btw

Well, you clearly know nothing about hockey or have not been watching. Mitts is a top PP guy in the league. A top PK guy in the league.

The Sabres PP is scoring at a 24% clip....."regardless of stats"....whatever that means.

This thread has nothing to do with Quinn....btw.

Draft pick are how you build a team. You look at any team, most of the core players are gonna be acquired through the draft.

That's all I hear from the Mitts haters. He's "bad" ubt they can't tell me exactly how he is bad...And I show stats saying he's a top PP guy, a top PK guy, a top 130 point producer...

And all I hear back is "he's bad" "he sucks" "period"

Back it up. Show me. I'm willing to listen.

You seem like a Leafs fan. How many 2nd round picks are on your team?

Let me answer for you...

Holl
Robertson
Jarnkrok
Simmonds

No wonder the Leafs blow.

Wow. Thanks for showing how much you know nothing about hockey.

COL: 8/25 acquired by drafting
VGK: 3/27
BOS: 9/26
TBL: 11/25
STL: 12/29
TOR: 10/29
FLA: 4/22

Are you serious? "most" of the players.... on what team?

Knies, Hirvonen and Mintin were also second round picks from the leafs in the past 3 years. All of them, especially Knies, project to be solid NHL players. Knies seems like he has strong potential to become a top 6 power forward. The leafs have recently made picking in the second round a priority. The early results look promising but we won’t know for sure until a couple years.

And before you say “we’ll they won’t need them in a few years”, one of the biggest reasons they haven’t been able to get over the hump is the lack of depth scoring. If their picks panned out from the Dave Nonis and Lou eras, they might have actually won a playoff round by now.

Wow. cool story. Everyone projects to be a good NHL player....until they aren't...

Sorry, but I showed the stats before if you missed them. ~10% of 2nd round picks have a chance of making it...and that's me saying pick #30 = #64.

But go on with your wishful thinking....if it suits you...

I said CORE players. And I shouldn’t have to explain myself there. Teams best players usually come through the draft.

Ahh the old “you know nothing about hockey”. Usually a sign that you don’t have a real argument.

Teams core players come from the 2nd round? Which ones? Go on....

I already showed TO "core" of 2nd rounders, most of which were acquired through trades or FA....and aren't good NHL players.
Let's look at TBL....arguably the best team in the past 5 years: Who is their "core" from the 2nd round? Kucherov drafted in 2011. And? That's 12 drafts ago and 1 player.

As I've been saying a 2nd round draft pick is a ~10% lottery ticket of ever working out.

Umm, so yes, I'm ignoring the 2nd round pick and one of the worst 4th liners in the league for Mitts. It's borderline crazy.

It’s not worthless, BUT it also doesn’t have much value to the Sabres right now- because:
1- our prospect pool is already loaded
2- we already have THREE 2nd round picks in this draft

It’s a horrible trade proposal that we just won’t be interested in at all

Just gonna ignore the list I had before of examples of elite second rounders I guess. Debrincat, Aho, Bergeron, Josi, etc. I named a few more and there is more that I didn’t name. I understand the point you are trying to make but you are using extremes and it makes you sound like someone who doesn’t know what they are talking about. Acting like a second round pick is worthless is idiotic and blatantly false.



Respect here for at least acknowledging that the pick has value. For the record I probably agree Buffalo shouldn’t do it. Just did not like how extreme he was.

Buffalo fans can't seperate where middlestadt was drafted 8OA vs who he really is a 3rd line checker. The deals offered are based on the value of 8OA thus not how any of the other 31 GM's would value the player.

You drafted a bust a 8OA. If you want to move him fine but if you can look past his draft position he probably could help your team in that 3C role.

He’s not eloquent
BUT
The chances of finding core players outside the 1st round is rare

The deals offered are based on the value of 8th 0A? Please do explain what GM in the league trades 8th OA for a 4th liner and a 2nd? No one.

We drafted a bust?

He's t-12th in G among 2017 draft picks.
He's 13 th in points.

So far he's been a minor reach. I don't know how someone calls him a bust.

I literally listed every single player in the NHL drafted since 2012 who has more career points than Mitts. But I'm the one using extremes?

I agree. But 2nd round picks are still valuable assets in todays NHL.

First of all, uhhhh, no, you didn’t.

Yes, you are using extremes. You are saying second round picks have no value.

Yes it does have something to do with Quinn you've just ignored it. The sabres powerplay is bad by design. Having a PP that runs through 3 out of the 5 guys and hardly goes down low is bad, they get bailed out by having an insanely talented defenseman quarterbacking and having two laser shots on the dots. Thats PP1 though, the second unit is basically worthless. Its a thrown together mess thats constantly changed and relies on the shot of Kyle Okposo to try and score. Shame Mr. "Top PP guy in the league" cant do much besides lose puck battles along the boards. (I know he scored last night, but he did something similar in Calgary and then stunk until yesterday so might want to wait on that) He only plays on the PP and PK because he can win draws. Hes great at faceoffs, thats pretty much it.

Also in what world is Casey a physical player, he gets bullied in like every game. Dylan cozens is a more physical player LOL

Earlier on you brought up the fact that Quinn wasnt a center (He was in ROCH for a little bit) and had less points(way less TOI overall and less games btw), which is a really dumb take. The sabres have the center depth to move on. Thompson, Cozens, Krebs, Asplund, and even Girgensons. Points arent everything either, do you think Jokiharju is better than samuelsson?

It's funny because second round picks absolutely have value. JJ Peterka was a second round pick and he looks great so far. Getting a second for Casey would be insane, because Mr.Fortnite is probably only worth a late third or early fourth. It would also give Buffalo FOUR second rounders this year, which could be used for a variety of things.