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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RazWild</b></div><div>Problem is, there are two reasons why this proposal gets shot down by Guerin.
1) Guerin has been quite vocal and stated that he isn't willing to give up futures or the farm just to make a trade. Even if that trade is for a 1C like Eichel, he isn't going to jeopardize the teams future for one player with a massive overpay. Eichel, specifically, isn't worth our top two prospects who're both top 50 prospects in the NHL no less.
It would have to be for one or the other, not both. Rossi <em><strong>or</strong></em> Boldy.
2) Even more importantly, a trade for Eichel by Minnesota standards <strong>cannot</strong> be just strictly for futures. There are major cap concerns that we simply cannot ignore when you trade for a $10M contract, and are already looking at a minimum of $15-18M needed for resigning Kaprizov, Fiala, and Eriksson-Ek to new contracts. Which doesn't even include Hartman who'll probably cost another $3M or so.
That's out of a grand total of roughly $23M in open cap space this upcoming offseason. And this is all before any prospective Eichel trade even materializes.
<strong>Cap needs to be going Buffalo's way, and this cannot, once again, strictly be just for futures as was proposed in this trade.</strong></div></div>
I see your point. I don't believe it's likely, but Minnesota should be should try it. Because no offense to Eriksson Ek, he's good middle 6 centre, but he's not top line and Rossi is unproven so far (he has the potential to be a decent 1c though). I agree that
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RazWild</b></div><div>Then this would be my counter offer.
2021 1st (PIT)
2022 2nd (MIN)
Dumba = 1st + $6M in cap
Rask = $4M for $10M total
Boldy = 1st
Khovanov & 2022 2nd = potential top six center/2nd round value + 2nd = 1st
2021 1st (PIT) = 1st
That's 4 "1st's" or rather 4 1st's in equivalent value.</div></div>
Dumba would likely be part of the deal due to cap. This isn't a bad offer, but I feel like it might be beat, but it's worth offering to Buffalo.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mhockey91</b></div><div>Way better? Really? Considering sid is a 200 foot monster and while Matthews is solid defensively, especially for a goal scorer, he definitely isn’t as complete as Sid. Let’s also not forget Matthews stats are a little inflated playing in the North, and Sid has single handedly carried a very injured pens team into division contention.
So Sid is a better playmaker + more complete + better leader
Sid's good defensively, don't get me wrong. But it's not like he's Selke calibre. He's top 10 in Selke voting usually, but he's never even been a finalist. The amount he'd be better than Matthews defensively is small.
And I will admit something now: I did not realize Sid had that many points. In fact, looking at it now, it does seem silly to say Matthews has been WAY better. But due to Matthews scoring like he's Ovi 2.0, I'd rather have him on my team for the playoffs. But it is close. Very close in fact due to Sid's resume in the playoffs. But I think Matthews holds a small edge. He's always still scored in the playoffs despite the rest of the team choking. He's never been the playoff problem, not even close. If the leafs win the cup, I'd be shocked if it isn't him who wins the Conn Smythe.
But wow, Sid doesn't seem to be slowing down any time soon despite Malkin falling off a cliff. Hope the pens go far this year. I've always been a huge fan of Sid.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Vermathex</b></div><div>he is not a top five center or a top 10 player in the league
is he better than
no he is not. not even on the same planet as them</div></div>
Not on the same planet as the first 4? Yes, I agree.
But he's not far behind Barkov, and because he's younger, he'll likely be better one day.
Also, I'll add Draisitl to that group as well for you, depending on if he's considered a centre (still don't know whether he's a centre or a wing, but if he's a centre he ranks higher than Eichel)
After that, you're comparing him to guys like Petterson, Schifele, Malkin, Point, Tavares, Bergeron, O'Rielly, Barzal, Kopitar, Cotiuier, etc
Personally, I'd rather have Eichel than any of them.