And so this outcome is ok with you? Continous offensive failures while the GM has the ability to make changes (Patches get injured for the year prior to the TDL) but doesn't?

To win ANY cup you're going to have to beat goalies. Even good ones.

Svechnikov didn't. They looked good enough to win the cup before Svechnikov's injury. You cannot predict a guy who has been healthy most of his career is going to suddenly have his ACL blow up. Don cannot predict that. Even if he did, what's he going to do? Look at this deadline. How many of the additions have worked. Barbashev and Domi, sure. Horvat? No. Tarasenko? Not really. Kane? No . Meier? He was a ghost. Bertuzzi? He was okay but still lost in round one. ROR, Accari, McCabe, Lafferty, Gustafsson and whoever else the Leafs loaded with? No. Eysmmont and Jeannot? No. They picked up Ghost who didn't really work either and Puljujarvi who is a long term addition. Absolutely fine with that. Cannot blame the GM for playing the precentages

That's true, but this isn't a scoring issue. They're breating the goalies they should. Hell, they beat Sorokin. They beat Ullmark and Swayman last year, Saros the year before, Shesterkin and Lundqvist before that, Holtby and Lehner before that. They're beating good goalies. They can't solve the goalies that come into a series red hot. That's not the GM's fault.

Personally, I think CAR could have had almost any of those guys. CAR has the pieces to get it done.

It's the GMS fault (or owner) if the same outcome occurs every year for the same reason. He didn't learn OR I'd argue CAR actually DID learn which is the main reason they got Patches. He just forgot the lesson come the TDL...a few times.

Again, he's done good things. I'm not calling for his head, just a change at the TDL. I'm just pointing out one continued failure. It's just rough and kinda the definition of insanty to do the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.

Look how many of them have worked elsewhere. No reason to do it.

Carolina don't pay big prices at the deadline because they never work. Toronto have 1 series win to show for mortgaging their entire future. Boston has nothing to show for the last 6 years of major deadline acquisitions. Edmonton nothing. Calgary loaded up with Toffoli, Pittsburgh with Granlund, Washington won the cup the 1 time they didn't load up. They are more likely to fail than to work. Can't blame the GM for playing percentages.

Flawed logic. The reason EVERY team mortgages their future is because it's basically a requirement to win the cup. COL 1st+ for DK. TBL doesn't have a 1st until 2026, CHI did for their cups. I think STL is the only one recently that hasnt.

Washington didn't, St Louis didn't. LA didn't really for either time. Tampa didn't move anything for the 2nd one, they move their 1sts this year and next for Hagel at last years deadline, not for the cups.

TBL moved 1sts for Coleman, Goodrow, Jeannot too. Just because something isn't at the TDL EXACTLY doesn't mean it's not meaningfully mortgaging the future for the now.

LA is a bit too early. CHI didn't even in 2010. It's a newer trend than that.

Coleman and Goodrow were the 1st year, not the 2nd.

Jeannot was this year, that didn't work. Neither did ROR, Bertuzzi, Ghost, Kane, Tarasenko, Horvat, Chychrun... Florida are probably going to win the cup, they did f**k and all.

Florida traded Hubs/Weeger and a 1st for tbe RIGHTS to Matty.
Florida traded a 1st for Reinhart
Florida traded a 1st for Giroux
Florida traded a 1st for Chiarot

Florida doesn't have a 1st till 2026. They've mortgaged their future FOUR different times JUST for the chance to get to this point.


TBL ALSO doesn't have a 1st until 2026. They ALSO mortgaged their future SIX different times. Yes trade away SIX 1st rounds picks since 2018. No team in the history of the NHL has mortgaged their future more than the Lightning. 2 cups 4 appearances.

Mortgaging your future doesnt HAVE to occur on the last day of the TDL. Waddell has appropriately chose to weaponize cap first. I'm saying he needs to learn from his 5 years of 5 failures that he needs to learn that other teams are showing what they're willing to give up to win. CAR as management needs to adjust.
They cant go a 6th year doing the same stuff and expect a different outcome.

To say Florida and TBL doesn't mortgage their future is a blatant lie.

They traded Huberdeau and Weegar for Tkachuk extended. Look at the GM that signed his extension. It's Treliving, not Zito.

They traded all those 1sts last year, and Reinhart was not a deadline move. The others fell flat on theri face.

Tampa also brought in 1sts in the Miller trade etc etc, they were recouping their future as much as they were moving it.

Florida did not mortgage their future for this cup run. They did nothing at the deadline. Trying to say they did is blatantly wrong and sees this conversation end because you're just wrong and refuse to admit it

They have ZERO 1sts until 2026! How is that NOT mortgaging their future????

Why are you trying to convince me 2+2=5?

Wasn't for this year, was it? Giroux is in Ottawa, Chiarot is in Detroit. How are they helping this year? Please tell me how you got to that conclusion. Players on other rosters are helping them this year. Absolutely braindead. Reinhart wasn't a deadline move, that was a move similar to Kotkaniemi to help improve the top six long term during the summer.

Why do you not understand 2+2=4?

It doesn't matter if it was this year! EVERY YEAR teams trade away 1sts...just for the chance at the cup.

Every single year. Next year the same will happen. Same with the following.

Just for the chance to win the cup.

They're at least trying. Patches gets injured...you're supposed to try to replace him. DW thought he was needed day 1 otherwise he wouldn't have traded for him.

I just want DW to try. He's not. Worst GM in the NHL at the TDL. Good at other things. Dont fire him, but worst in the game at the TDL. Don't go a 6th year with the same BS at the TDL. Actually try next year.

But if it wasn't this year, they obviously didn't work! That's my entire point. Carolina is built on probability and statistics. They shoot from everywhere with the logic one will go in eventually, they bargain bin shop to find the best value, and they don't make big moves at the deadline because they so rarely work! You have perfect examples. Chiarot, Giroux... that got Florida 4 playoff wins. ROR, Accari, Lafferty, McCabe, Gustafsson got Toronto 5. Bertuzzi couldn't help Boston get 4. Meier got the Devils 5. Kane, Tarasenko, Mikkola, Motte got the Rangers 3. He doesn't do anything at the deadline and it means he doesn't screw his team like other GMs do. Toronto now have no future and no cap space. Same applies to the Rangers. Boston too. Devils have cap struggles now with all their free agents. Florida didn't do anything this deadline and they're in the final.

Waddell still has cap space to leverage and futures to offer, something almost no other team has. It puts Carolina in a unique position. He doesn't make the panic moves of other GMs. Domi didn't work here last year and Vegas gave up WAY too much for Barbashev. He knows when to sit on his hands, and it's why he's the best GM in the league. He never blinks first.

As I will remind you, the Canes were paid to take on Pacioretty. They knew he was injury plagued and he wasn't going to be a long term answer. They traded for him because even if he only played 5 games, they got a free Dylan Coghlan out of it. You act like he doesn't know what he's doing, yet he constantly has his team among the best in the NHL

Ok, I'll give it one last try.

You says CAR is built of Probability and Statistics. Ok fine. Why is Game Theory absent from their analysis?

You say Florida did nothing which is an amazingly incorrect (FACTUAL INCORRECT) statement. How did Florida get Reinhart? Traded away a 1st. How did they get Matty? Oh another 1st. KEY pieces of THIS team were acquired by traded away FUTURE 1sts. Aka mortgaging their future for today. Those are facts. Would Florida be here today without Reinhart/Matty??? No.

Vegas gave up WAY too much??? They won't care if they win the cup.

You're coveting CAR picks/prospects too much. You're not using ANY game theory. It's like actually believing AZ can legitimately win the cup while being Below the Cap Floor. They can't do it down there. You need to pay money for talented players.

CAR has been a consistent failure because they refuse to show the willingness to do what it takes to win.