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Created by: HeadHighSauce
Team: 2023-24 New Jersey Devils
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 25, 2023
Published: Jun. 25, 2023
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Whole crew hitting Leggetts
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
4$3,500,000
2$900,000
3$1,250,000
3$1,750,000
8$8,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$1,500,000
2$2,000,000
1$1,500,000
Trades
NJD
  1. Colton, Ross [RFA Rights]
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Return from Shayna Goldman suggestion in The Athletic
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  1. 2023 2nd round pick (NJD)
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2023
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2025
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23$83,500,000$82,049,167$422,500$2,175,000$1,450,833
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RW, LW
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
C
UFA - 7
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RFA - 1
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LW, RW
UFA - 8
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$7,250,000$7,250,000
C
UFA - 4
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$7,875,000$7,875,000
RW, LW
UFA - 8
$1,500,000$1,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$3,150,000$3,150,000
C, LW
NTC
UFA - 3
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 4
$3,500,000$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
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C
RFA - 1
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
RW
UFA - 2
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LW
RFA - 1
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UFA - 2
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
LD
UFA - 5
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$9,000,000$9,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 5
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
G
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$925,000$925K)
LD/RD
RFA - 2
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$4,400,000$4,400,000
RD
UFA - 4
$1,500,000$1,500,000
G
UFA - 1
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$900,000$900,000
LD
RFA - 2
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RD
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Jun. 25, 2023 at 3:51 p.m.
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Quoting: JTBF81
It is subpar because it is not what Tampa needs.i'm not sure how many times this can.be said on here by ppl who know Tampa's situation well. Tampa could care less about a later 2nd round pick. If they are going to move a player that is slotted to be a top 6 winger for many years to come, they will need to get back players of value that help them now. A cost controlled 3LD and bottom 6 F is what they would value.

Since they have no need to move him, the acquiring team can meet their price or the trade just doesn't happen. Brisebois should care less what some algorithm says, as he is not in a position to.toss Colton for what another team thinks.is fair,.but what Tampa actually wants(or close to it).

There's really nothing else left to discuss, as I and many Tampa fans.have already made this same position clear on literally dozens of Colton to.N.J threads where N.J..fans make a great offer for them, while not taking into account what Tampa would want and thinking Tampa has little recourse, until once again corrected by Tampa fans.


Nothing says “I know the reality of my NHL team more than you” more than telling people your team will happily roll into an NHL season with 21 skaters on the roster

Also what algorithm?
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Jun. 25, 2023 at 3:51 p.m.
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It is subpar because it is not what Tampa needs.i'm not sure how many times this can.be said on here by ppl who know Tampa's situation well. Tampa could care less about a later 2nd round pick. If they are going to move a player that is slotted to be a top 6 winger for many years to come, they will need to get back players of value that help them now. A cost controlled 3LD and bottom 6 F is what they would value.

Since they have no need to move him, the acquiring team can meet their price or the trade just doesn't happen. Brisebois should care less what some algorithm says, as he is not in a position to.toss Colton for what another team thinks.is fair,.but what Tampa actually wants(or close to it).

There's really nothing else left to discuss, as I and many Tampa fans.have already made this same position clear on literally dozens of Colton to.N.J threads where N.J..fans make a great offer for them, while not taking into account what Tampa would want and thinking Tampa has little recourse, until once again corrected by Tampa fans.


How are you measuring Ross Colton’s value on the trade market though, without looking at similar comps? And why does this immediately write off the option of a reputable reporter?
Jun. 25, 2023 at 3:51 p.m.
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Especially interesting that there are some wild underpays, when checking against Evolving Hockey’s projections

Yeah I didn’t even go there haha
Jun. 25, 2023 at 3:53 p.m.
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I’d be very interested in seeing this roster of 21 lol


Not doing the work for you, and I'm done here. The trade is terrible for Tampa's position and what they value and actually need.
Jun. 25, 2023 at 3:53 p.m.
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How are you measuring Ross Colton’s value on the trade market though, without looking at similar comps? And why does this immediately write off the option of a reputable reporter?


Write off the opinion based on an “algorithm” (that doesn’t actually exist). Nothing like showing you have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about huh?
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Jun. 25, 2023 at 3:54 p.m.
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Not doing the work for you, and I'm done here. The trade is terrible for Tampa's position and what they value and actually need.


Don’t worry, you don’t need to. I’ve looked at all the rosters of 21 “on here” and they’re laughably unrealistic.
Jun. 25, 2023 at 3:56 p.m.
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Not doing the work for you, and I'm done here. The trade is terrible for Tampa's position and what they value and actually need.


So you don’t have a way to justify your assessment of Colton’s value, just off just the top of your head?
Jun. 25, 2023 at 4:00 p.m.
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Don’t worry, you don’t need to. I’ve looked at all the rosters of 21 “on here” and they’re laughably unrealistic.


Yea, but that’s because your algorithm shows it, and in reality brisboizzzzz can do it
Jun. 25, 2023 at 4:07 p.m.
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Quoting: HeadHighSauce
Nothing says “I know the reality of my NHL team more than you” more than telling people your team will happily roll into an NHL season with 21 skaters on the roster

Also what algorithm?


21 if they have to. Whatever algorithm the reporter likely used as part of their analysis and calculation of supposed trade value. The analysts you listed and have cited from poorly, have very rarely been right about supposed moves from Tampa, since very little accurate info leaks from Tampa before any deal is basically done. Perhaps if you had done the step of seeing what Tampa actually would want in a trade, a reasonable offer could have been made, but that's quite seldom the case from N.J..fans on here with Tampa trades involving Colton.
Jun. 25, 2023 at 4:10 p.m.
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21 if they have to. Whatever algorithm the reporter likely used as part of their analysis and calculation of supposed trade value. The analysts you listed and have cited from poorly, have very rarely been right about supposed moves from Tampa, since very little accurate info leaks from Tampa before any deal is basically done. Perhaps if you had done the step of seeing what Tampa actually would want in a trade, a reasonable offer could have been made, but that's quite seldom the case from N.J..fans on here with Tampa trades involving Colton.


Which algorithm? The algorithm which is definitely real?
Jun. 25, 2023 at 4:12 p.m.
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21 if they have to. Whatever algorithm the reporter likely used as part of their analysis and calculation of supposed trade value. The analysts you listed and have cited from poorly, have very rarely been right about supposed moves from Tampa, since very little accurate info leaks from Tampa before any deal is basically done. Perhaps if you had done the step of seeing what Tampa actually would want in a trade, a reasonable offer could have been made, but that's quite seldom the case from N.J..fans on here with Tampa trades involving Colton.


They didn’t use an algorithm lmfaooooo

Idc what tampas needs are in a cap squeeze trade.
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Jun. 25, 2023 at 4:27 p.m.
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Colton is coming to NJ for peanuts and you'll just have to deal with it. Tampa could use that pick since they traded the next decade worth of picks for a 4th line player.
Jun. 25, 2023 at 4:30 p.m.
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Colton is coming to NJ for peanuts and you'll just have to deal with it. Tampa could use that pick since they traded the next decade worth of picks for a 4th line player.


Algorithm says so
Jun. 25, 2023 at 4:31 p.m.
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Algorithm says so


It's true. If Tampa wants to keep Colton they have to give us Hagel and the next 10 years with of firsts and second round picks.
Jun. 25, 2023 at 4:33 p.m.
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Don’t worry, you don’t need to. I’ve looked at all the rosters of 21 “on here” and they’re laughably unrealistic.


Lol, cool story. Too bad ppl thought your trade was terrible, told you why it sucks for Tampa, and then you had nothing good in response but spinning the same false narrative about Tampa having to move him.
Jun. 25, 2023 at 4:38 p.m.
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Lol, cool story. Too bad ppl thought your trade was terrible, told you why it sucks for Tampa, and then you had nothing good in response but spinning the same false narrative about Tampa having to move him.


Ah well, alas. You got me. Excellent debate brother. You made some fantaStic points. I’ll be sure to remember when Tampa rolls into the season with 8/21 players making under 1M. I shall, of course, be sure not to do simple math next time and just listen to fans when they say “we don’t have to get rid of this player”, much like Minnesota, Calgary, Chicago, San Jose and Vegas fans in recent seasons. Being told that we are wrong by these fans, and we were tragically wrong ever time about the cost of Fiala, Fleury, and Neier, has never once backfired.

I will also look into the “algorithm” you said is the basis of this trade.
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Jun. 25, 2023 at 4:38 p.m.
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Lol, cool story. Too bad ppl thought your trade was terrible, told you why it sucks for Tampa, and then you had nothing good in response but spinning the same false narrative about Tampa having to move him.


You see the big lettering on the top left hand of this site that says Cap Friendly? You should click on it and look at the lightning's cap situation.
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Jun. 25, 2023 at 4:42 p.m.
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Lol, cool story. Too bad ppl thought your trade was terrible, told you why it sucks for Tampa, and then you had nothing good in response but spinning the same false narrative about Tampa having to move him.


Funnily enough no one can justify it being such a terrible trade, except for blaming the algorithm that doesn’t exist
Jun. 25, 2023 at 4:43 p.m.
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You see the big lettering on the top left hand of this site that says Cap Friendly? You should click on it and look at the lightning's cap situation.


21 man rosters can work fine! It can even be 22 if we pay below market value for every Free Agent!
Jun. 25, 2023 at 5:22 p.m.
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You see the big lettering on the top left hand of this site that says Cap Friendly? You should click on it and look at the lightning's cap situation.


Myself and many other Tampa fans are well aware, and the $ is still very much there for Colton up to around 3.75(possibly 4 but that's both pushing it and an overpay, as is 3.75 really). Thanks for the extremely helpful post though, very enlightening....
Jun. 25, 2023 at 5:27 p.m.
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Funnily enough no one can justify it being such a terrible trade, except for blaming the algorithm that doesn’t exist


Or you know, justifying it based on Tampa's actual needs and not what some Devils fans thought based on one random report. If said reporter is so analytically inclined, there's more than a decent chance they are using some kind of algorithm or comparable tools, to aid in the formulation of their theoretical player values. Keep throwing pitiful shade attempts though, it's always at that point in any kind of discussion where I know that person has nothing of relevance left to contribute, if they ever did.
Jun. 25, 2023 at 5:31 p.m.
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21 man rosters can work fine! It can even be 22 if we pay below market value for every Free Agent!


Nah, every roster that I create anyway uses fair market value within a few hundred k, at most. Perhaps I don't use whatever model or chart you consider, but I don't really care tbh. Tampa will run 21 if they have to, yes, especially if that's the difference between Colton or not. More than likely, Tampa will just go a bit cheaper with the extra F or 3LD, and they'll run 22.
Jun. 25, 2023 at 5:37 p.m.
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Or you know, justifying it based on Tampa's actual needs and not what some Devils fans thought based on one random report. If said reporter is so analytically inclined, there's more than a decent chance they are using some kind of algorithm or comparable tools, to aid in the formulation of their theoretical player values. Keep throwing pitiful shade attempts though, it's always at that point in any kind of discussion where I know that person has nothing of relevance left to contribute, if they ever did.


There is literally no algorithm, and it’s based on reporters and insiders doing actual reporting.

Quoting: JTBF81
Nah, every roster that I create anyway uses fair market value within a few hundred k, at most. Perhaps I don't use whatever model or chart you consider, but I don't really care tbh. Tampa will run 21 if they have to, yes, especially if that's the difference between Colton or not. More than likely, Tampa will just go a bit cheaper with the extra F or 3LD, and they'll run 22.


Literally the first roster on your profile doesnt line up with with contract projections per Evolving Hockey.
Jun. 25, 2023 at 5:39 p.m.
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Or you know, justifying it based on Tampa's actual needs and not what some Devils fans thought based on one random report. If said reporter is so analytically inclined, there's more than a decent chance they are using some kind of algorithm or comparable tools, to aid in the formulation of their theoretical player values. Keep throwing pitiful shade attempts though, it's always at that point in any kind of discussion where I know that person has nothing of relevance left to contribute, if they ever did.


Just tell me you didnt look at the Lightning cap friendly page to see their cap situation instead of this long winded word salad.
Jun. 25, 2023 at 5:52 p.m.
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Just tell me you didnt look at the Lightning cap friendly page to see their cap situation instead of this long winded word salad.


You’d think a team that has had to send away cap casualties for the last several seasons would have a fanbase that understands that the cap prevents you from keeping everyone
 
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