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Dorion tries to save his job

Created by: budgeteam
Published: Jun. 27, 2023 at 12:04 p.m.
Salary Cap: $83,500,000
Season Days: 185/186 (99%)
Central Registry Determination: This trade has met the central registry's trade checklist

Logo of the Ottawa SenatorsOttawa Senators

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Chabot, ThomasOttawa SenatorsNHL-$7,956,989011---0000--
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Karlsson, ErikSan Jose SharksNHL30%$8,006,720011---0000--
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$17,075,9531130452313
Change-$49,731000000
Final$17,026,222 (↓)1130452313000

Logo of the San Jose SharksSan Jose Sharks

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Karlsson, ErikSan Jose SharksNHL30%$8,006,720011---0000--
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Chabot, ThomasOttawa SenatorsNHL-$7,956,989011---0000--
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$14,079,1661738534618
Change$49,731000000
Final$14,128,897 (↑)1738534618000
Jun. 27, 2023 at 12:11 p.m.
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Pierre Dorion is taking a lot of heat for being Pierre Dorion.

If he brings back Erik Karlsson, perhaps an Alfredsson-involved management group would be grateful to him, and let him stay.

San Jose previously stated they would only retain 18 percent, but it is unlikely that any other team was putting up a 1 for 1 Subban for Weber type trade offer. Thomas Chabot is seen as a superstar defenseman. It doesn't matter if that is true or not. He's looked at as the guy who sometimes plays nearly 30 minutes a game. Having this kind of 26 year old defenseman made available to San Jose changes the complexion of the trade. Chabot and Karlsson are also redundant.

The trade could still be made with the rumoured 18 percent limit on retention, but the cap in/cap out retention looks better.

San Jose also might need to convince Chabot to stay. He would be unhappy about going to San Jose after spending his entire career in a rebuild. He may not want to go to San Jose. While he cannot block a trade, he can sulk and make it less fun to have him for the Sharks. It is possible that this deal would require a third team who would benefit from acquiring Chabot. In that case, Chabot has to be worth more in a trade than Karlsson, or Ottawa has to add. Or, there has to be stumbling blocks to moving Karlsson elsewhere (teams afraid of age+term) that there aren't with Chabot.
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Jun. 27, 2023 at 3:24 p.m.
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Quoting: budgeteam
Pierre Dorion is taking a lot of heat for being Pierre Dorion.

If he brings back Erik Karlsson, perhaps an Alfredsson-involved management group would be grateful to him, and let him stay.

San Jose previously stated they would only retain 18 percent, but it is unlikely that any other team was putting up a 1 for 1 Subban for Weber type trade offer. Thomas Chabot is seen as a superstar defenseman. It doesn't matter if that is true or not. He's looked at as the guy who sometimes plays nearly 30 minutes a game. Having this kind of 26 year old defenseman made available to San Jose changes the complexion of the trade. Chabot and Karlsson are also redundant.

The trade could still be made with the rumoured 18 percent limit on retention, but the cap in/cap out retention looks better.

San Jose also might need to convince Chabot to stay. He would be unhappy about going to San Jose after spending his entire career in a rebuild. He may not want to go to San Jose. While he cannot block a trade, he can sulk and make it less fun to have him for the Sharks. It is possible that this deal would require a third team who would benefit from acquiring Chabot. In that case, Chabot has to be worth more in a trade than Karlsson, or Ottawa has to add. Or, there has to be stumbling blocks to moving Karlsson elsewhere (teams afraid of age+term) that there aren't with Chabot.

This would have to be considered. And yea flipping Chabot would be easier considering his age. But at 26 Chabot will still be in his prime in 3-4 years when sharks are a much stronger team with plenty of cap space to add impact players so I wouldn’t mind him being part of the rebuild.
Jun. 27, 2023 at 5:00 p.m.
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
This would have to be considered. And yea flipping Chabot would be easier considering his age. But at 26 Chabot will still be in his prime in 3-4 years when sharks are a much stronger team with plenty of cap space to add impact players so I wouldn’t mind him being part of the rebuild.


I don't think the issue would be whether San Jose likes Chabot, more if Chabot is okay with going through another rebuild.

He arrived in Ottawa right when their rebuild started. So the scenario would be that he played through all those tough years and then is traded at the end of the rebuild to another team who is early in theirs. Of course, he doesn't have a NMC, but teams generally try to avoid acquiring players who don't want to play for them. So the more I think about it, the more likely it is that it would require a third party.
 
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