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Team: 2023-24 Detroit Red Wings
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 10, 2023
Published: Jul. 10, 2023
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2$1,200,000
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2024
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22$83,500,000$76,537,223$0$3,350,000$6,962,777
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$7,875,000$7,875,000
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$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
LW
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$5,100,000$5,100,000
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UFA - 5
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
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RFA - 1
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$1,460,000$1,460,000
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UFA - 1
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
C, LW, RW
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$925,000$925,000
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RFA - 1
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
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RFA - 2
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$1,200,000$1,200,000
C
RFA - 1
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
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UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
LD
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
RFA - 1
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
G
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UFA - 2
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$4,125,000$4,125,000
LD/RD
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UFA - 1
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
LD
UFA - 2
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$950,000$950,000
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
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Jul. 10, 2023 at 8:46 a.m.
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Ah yes, scratching the newly signed 3.4mil D man Holl, bold strategy there
Jul. 10, 2023 at 8:52 a.m.
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Quoting: McRanteskog
Ah yes, scratching the newly signed 3.4mil D man Holl, bold strategy there


Is Justin Holl good?
Jul. 10, 2023 at 8:55 a.m.
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Is Justin Holl good?


He’s terrible and DET should’ve never signed him for that figure. That being said, if you’re just going to scratch him, than buy him out lol
Jul. 10, 2023 at 9:05 a.m.
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Quoting: Yoo
Is Justin Holl good?


Quoting: McRanteskog
He’s terrible and DET should’ve never signed him for that figure. That being said, if you’re just going to scratch him, than buy him out lol


Toronto media/fans always overhype or over hate a player. Holl is probably paid too much but with the cap going up next year it doesn’t really hurt Detroit. But if Detroit plays him in the bottom 6 he is a good option. If he’s playing top D pair minutes, then he gets exposed. I see the D pairings as:
Walman-Seider
Maatta-Gostisbehere
Chiarot-Holl
Jul. 10, 2023 at 9:09 a.m.
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Quoting: JhonnyCanuck5
Toronto media/fans always overhype or over hate a player. Holl is probably paid too much but with the cap going up next year it doesn’t really hurt Detroit. But if Detroit plays him in the bottom 6 he is a good option. If he’s playing top D pair minutes, then he gets exposed. I see the D pairings as:
Walman-Seider
Maatta-Gostisbehere
Chiarot-Holl


Holl at 2mil is okay value for third pairing. Holl at 3.4mil is an overpay for third pairing.

Has nothing to do with Toronto media lol, he’s legitimately paid 75% more than he’s worth
Jul. 10, 2023 at 9:54 a.m.
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Quoting: McRanteskog
Holl at 2mil is okay value for third pairing. Holl at 3.4mil is an overpay for third pairing.

Has nothing to do with Toronto media lol, he’s legitimately paid 75% more than he’s worth


Incorrect - please see:
Gudas
Mayfield
Schenn
Cole
Clifton
Etc
Etc

Holl will be logging 20 minutes a night for a team with tons of cap space. And he's not terrible.
Jul. 10, 2023 at 10:05 a.m.
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Quoting: PuzzledActuary
Incorrect - please see:
Gudas
Mayfield
Schenn
Cole
Clifton
Etc
Etc

Holl will be logging 20 minutes a night for a team with tons of cap space. And he's not terrible.


DET wishes they had Mayfield lol wtf

https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/status/1675252223301808128

As for the others, you literally just outlined other bad signings. So because other D men got signed to bad deals, that makes signing Holl to a bad deal makes sense? What’s your angle here?
Jul. 10, 2023 at 10:12 a.m.
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Quoting: McRanteskog
DET wishes they had Mayfield lol wtf

https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/status/1675252223301808128

As for the others, you literally just outlined other bad signings. So because other D men got signed to bad deals, that makes signing Holl to a bad deal makes sense? What’s your angle here?


I think you're confusing "bad" with "market". $3.4M for a solid 3rd pair on a team with tons of cap space hardly qualifies as bad. Thanks for the Twitter link though, very helpful.

Mayfield is not a bad signing, Clifton is not a bad signing, Schenn is not a bad signing.

Context is key.
Jul. 10, 2023 at 10:46 a.m.
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Quoting: PuzzledActuary
I think you're confusing "bad" with "market". $3.4M for a solid 3rd pair on a team with tons of cap space hardly qualifies as bad. Thanks for the Twitter link though, very helpful.

Mayfield is not a bad signing, Clifton is not a bad signing, Schenn is not a bad signing.

Context is key.


Well you seem be in the overwhelming minority on the Holl signing. See the link to the poll completed by your peers for context

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/736851
Jul. 10, 2023 at 11:01 a.m.
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Quoting: McRanteskog
Well you seem be in the overwhelming minority on the Holl signing. See the link to the poll completed by your peers for context

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/736851


Yeah, the geniuses at CapFriendly are who I compare my opinions too.

Have you seen some of the trades that are posted here?
 
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