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Scheifele at the deadline

Created by: csick
Team: 2023-24 Vegas Golden Knights
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 18, 2023
Published: Jul. 18, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$900,000
Trades
VGK
  1. Scheifele, Mark ($3,000,000 retained)
WPG
  1. Korczak, Kaedan
  2. 2024 1st round pick (VGK)
  3. 2025 2nd round pick (VGK)
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$83,500,000$83,173,317$0$0$326,683
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$10,000,000$10,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 3
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$9,500,000$9,500,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 4
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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$3,125,000$3,125,000
C
NMC
UFA - 1
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$900,000$900,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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$5,900,000$5,900,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 4
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$762,500$762,500
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
LD
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UFA - 1
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$8,800,000$8,800,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 4
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$4,900,000$4,900,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$2,294,150$2,294,150
LD
RFA - 2
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$5,200,000$5,200,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$766,667$766,667
G
UFA - 2
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$2,850,000$2,850,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 5
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$850,000$850,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$775,000$775,000
LW, RW
RFA - 3

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Jul. 18, 2023 at 9:22 p.m.
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Incoming WPG fans gonna say Scheif is worth 5 firsts
Jul. 19, 2023 at 12:29 a.m.
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Quoting: Ennis
Incoming WPG fans gonna say Scheif is worth 5 firsts


Nah man, it’s more like, why would the jets trade him if this is the return? There’s more value keeping him.
Jul. 19, 2023 at 12:31 a.m.
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Nah man, it’s more like, why would the jets trade him if this is the return? There’s more value keeping him.


Well it’s either you let him walk for nothing or sign him till he’s 38
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Jul. 19, 2023 at 12:36 a.m.
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Well it’s either you let him walk for nothing or sign him till he’s 38


I’m all for a Scheifele renaissance!
Jul. 19, 2023 at 2:17 a.m.
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Nah man, it’s more like, why would the jets trade him if this is the return? There’s more value keeping him.


More value in keeping him? You mean when he walks to FA like everyone else will? I mean… if that’s your strategy…
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Jul. 19, 2023 at 3:25 p.m.
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Edited Jul. 19, 2023 at 4:21 p.m.
Quoting: Ennis
More value in keeping him? You mean when he walks to FA like everyone else will? I mean… if that’s your strategy…


My dude, its quite rudimentary actually. Allow me to enlighten you, its in fact quite common. Lets say the Jets are comfortably third or even second in the central at the trade deadline and the package offered here is the absolute best offer they receive (it for sure wont be though). If they were to trade away the players, in this case Scheifele and Hellebuyck for pennies on the dollar as suggested here, they would undoubtedly falter and likely miss the playoffs losing a chance at a playoff run and millions of dollars in revenue for the franchise. I have heard this referred to as 'internal rentals'. This is a far better "strategy" then making a trade which does absolutely nothing positive for the team anytime soon! The Vegas 1st rounder will be a late first that even if it hits wont contribute for 3-5 years. SO yes, there is greater value to the franchise and the city of Winnipeg to hold onto these assets and allow them to become Unrestricted Free agents which they have both earned that opportunity. With that the Jets now have 12.3 million in extra cap space. or they resign one or both because the market is tepid and there will be A LOT of UFA's next off season.
Jul. 19, 2023 at 3:33 p.m.
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My dude, its quite rudimentary actually. Allow me to enlighten you, its in fact quite common. Lets say the Jets are comfortably third or even second in the central at the trade deadline and the package offered here is the absolute best offer they receive (it for sure wont be though). If they were to trade away the players, in this case Scheifele and Hellebuyck for pennies on the dollar as suggested here, they would undoubtedly falter and likely miss the playoffs losing a chance at a playoff run and millions of dollars in revenue for the franchise. I have heard this referred to as 'internal rentals'. This is a far better "strategy" then making a trade which does absolutely nothing positive for the team anytime soon! The Vegas 1st rounder will be a late first that even if it hits wont contribute for 3-5 years. SO yes, there is greater value to the franchise and the city of Winnipeg to hold onto these assets and allow them to become Unrestricted Free agents which they have both earned that opportunity.


Slight issue, your team stinks.

They'll be a meek middle team and maybe just make it in, then lose in the first round again. If that's how Winnipeg wants to play their cards, and if that's how you're coping with the current state of your team, be my guest. But this return certainly isn't pennies on the dollar.

Also, sure, resign him if you want. Dude has a terrible attitude when it comes to losing and has never really won anything in his career. Scheif is overrated as hell. Not to mention he's never been that good of a playoff performer.

EDIT: Also making a trade and getting a return for a player who is most definitely NOT staying with your team is much better than holding onto them just to earn a couple extra bucks then lose in the first round. I actually have no idea where that logic even comes from man.
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Jul. 19, 2023 at 3:33 p.m.
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Quoting: Ducky10
My dude, its quite rudimentary actually. Allow me to enlighten you, its in fact quite common. Lets say the Jets are comfortably third or even second in the central at the trade deadline and the package offered here is the absolute best offer they receive (it for sure wont be though). If they were to trade away the players, in this case Scheifele and Hellebuyck for pennies on the dollar as suggested here, they would undoubtedly falter and likely miss the playoffs losing a chance at a playoff run and millions of dollars in revenue for the franchise. I have heard this referred to as 'internal rentals'. This is a far better "strategy" then making a trade which does absolutely nothing positive for the team anytime soon! The Vegas 1st rounder will be a late first that even if it hits wont contribute for 3-5 years. SO yes, there is greater value to the franchise and the city of Winnipeg to hold onto these assets and allow them to become Unrestricted Free agents which they have both earned that opportunity. With that the Jets now have 12.3 million in extra cap space. or they resign one or both because the market is tepid and there will be A LOT of UFA's next off season.
Too many big words here for you, sorry.


So what if you are far away from a wild card spot? Bro’s gotta make up contrived circumstances and flex his subscription to Thesaurus.com to feel competent.
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Jul. 19, 2023 at 3:48 p.m.
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So what if you are far away from a wild card spot? Bro’s gotta make up contrived circumstances and flex his subscription to Thesaurus.com to feel competent.


lol, Ok big boy. Is this whole ACGM site not made up contrived circumstances. smh
Jul. 19, 2023 at 3:49 p.m.
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Slight issue, your team stinks.

They'll be a meek middle team and maybe just make it in, then lose in the first round again. If that's how Winnipeg wants to play their cards, and if that's how you're coping with the current state of your team, be my guest. But this return certainly isn't pennies on the dollar.

Also, sure, resign him if you want. Dude has a terrible attitude when it comes to losing and has never really won anything in his career. Scheif is overrated as hell. Not to mention he's never been that good of a playoff performer.

EDIT: Also making a trade and getting a return for a player who is most definitely NOT staying with your team is much better than holding onto them just to earn a couple extra bucks then lose in the first round. I actually have no idea where that logic even comes from man.


Gosh, i guess you are incapable of grasping the concept. Not surprised. Best of luck out there, keep it classy
Jul. 19, 2023 at 3:51 p.m.
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Gosh, i guess you are incapable of grasping the concept. Not surprised. Best of luck out there, keep it classy


A concept you made up? Sure.
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Jul. 19, 2023 at 3:56 p.m.
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lol, Ok big boy. Is this whole ACGM site not made up contrived circumstances. smh


I guess it is because of people like you. ACGM is about discussing with a community whether certain moves would work and/or be viable. Obviously many of these moves have stated or implied circumstances, such as Winnipeg being sellers in this case. Personally I think it’s reasonable that they would be sellers and moving Scheif as they don’t have a sure fire playoff squad and he’s a UFA with little intentions to resign. Feel free to argue these points to your hearts content, but being condescending and rude while only using points that have merit by rejecting the implied premise of the post just makes you come across as a sad and lonely man with unresolved problems you’re projecting onto everyone here.
Jul. 19, 2023 at 4:17 p.m.
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I guess it is because of people like you. ACGM is about discussing with a community whether certain moves would work and/or be viable. Obviously many of these moves have stated or implied circumstances, such as Winnipeg being sellers in this case. Personally I think it’s reasonable that they would be sellers and moving Scheif as they don’t have a sure fire playoff squad and he’s a UFA with little intentions to resign. Feel free to argue these points to your hearts content, but being condescending and rude while only using points that have merit by rejecting the implied premise of the post just makes you come across as a sad and lonely man with unresolved problems you’re projecting onto everyone here.


Ohhhh! you dont know what contrived means, haha. pound salt skid mark. go back and read the conversation. all the best
Jul. 19, 2023 at 4:18 p.m.
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Quoting: Ennis
A concept you made up? Sure.


Wow, all kinds of stupid here. You should wear a helmet
 
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