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Trading for Karlsson was a mistake time to rebuild

Created by: lowblocksniper
Team: 2023-24 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 26, 2023
Published: Oct. 30, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Trades
1.
PIT
  1. Berggren, Jonatan
  2. Fabbri, Robby
  3. 2024 1st round pick (BOS)
Additional Details:
The condition would be it's a 2nd if Detroit doesn't make the playoffs
Fabbri is too injury prone, Rust is playing well and less prone to injury. Also 2 time cup winner
DET
  1. Rust, Bryan
Additional Details:
Rust has a full no move put might waive to play in Detroit since he's from Michigan
2.
PIT
  1. Goodrow, Barclay ($641,667 retained)
  2. Lafrenière, Alexis
  3. 2024 1st round pick (NYR)
  4. 2024 4th round pick (NYR)
Additional Details:
Rangers are in a win now, Laf is doing fairly well in my opinion but Guentzel is just that much better, at least right now
NYR
  1. Eller, Lars
  2. Guentzel, Jake ($3,000,000 retained)
  3. 2024 2nd round pick (PIT)
Additional Details:
Getting younger, Guentzel would probably stay but, that wouldn't help the rebuild
3.
PIT
  1. Bourgault, Xavier
  2. Broberg, Philip
  3. Campbell, Jack
  4. Foegele, Warren
  5. 2024 1st round pick (EDM)
Additional Details:
Oilers get Campbell's contract out, it would be a surprise if Pittsburgh is on his no trade list.
Not sure how much better Jarry is but, he's definitely not worse
Broberg is still young but, with inconsistent minutes and no place to move up in the lineup for the next 2yrs, it might not be a massive blow to move on.
EDM
  1. Acciari, Noel
  2. Hållander, Filip [Reserve List]
  3. Jarry, Tristan
  4. Laatsch, Daniel [Reserve List]
  5. Ruhwedel, Chad
  6. Zohorna, Radim
Additional Details:
Pittsburgh gets a prospect who's looking good in his 2nd pro season in Bourgault.
Broberg is still young and might get more consistent minutes with the Pens
Losing Jarry means they have no good goalie but, it's a rebuild and who knows maybe Campbell plays well enough
4.
PIT
  1. Brown, Joshua
  2. Jeník, Jan
  3. McBain, Jack
  4. 2024 4th round pick (ARI)
  5. 2025 2nd round pick (TOR)
Additional Details:
Arizona has some interesting options at LD but, I think as of right now Pettersson would be a better option for a team that is playing better than expected
ARI
  1. O'Connor, Drew
  2. Pettersson, Marcus
Additional Details:
Pittsburgh clears a little cap for other moves and gets more picks
McBain has been underwhelming but a change of scenery might spark a little breakthrough
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,500,000$81,292,499$0$850,000$2,207,501
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
LW
UFA - 2
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$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
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$2,325,000$2,325,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$6,100,000$6,100,000
C
NMC
UFA - 3
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$1,599,999$1,599,999
C, LW
RFA - 2
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$775,000$775,000
C
RFA - 1
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$3,125,000$3,125,000
RW, C
NMC
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 6
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$10,000,000$10,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 4
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$825,000$825,000
LD
RFA - 1
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$6,100,000$6,100,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 5
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
G
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LD
RFA - 1
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$1,275,000$1,275,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$900,000$900,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$775,000$775,000
LD
RFA - 2
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$775,000$775,000
LD
UFA - 1

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Oct. 31, 2023 at 4:18 p.m.
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Quoting: Onlyfairtrades1
You are truly clueless, but that's not surprising from a pens fan. Rangers would just laugh and hang up on you. Enjoy missing the playoffs for the foreseeable future, which is your teams situation.


I mean, if you're going to talk about playoffs, at least look in the mirror. Rags are literally known for underwhelming playoff performances with 0 cups in the cap era. If they weren't going to win with a team as stacked as they were last year, good luck this year. At least the Pens have 3 in the cap era, 2 of them being not too long ago.
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Oct. 31, 2023 at 5:54 p.m.
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I mean, if you're going to talk about playoffs, at least look in the mirror. Rags are literally known for underwhelming playoff performances with 0 cups in the cap era. If they weren't going to win with a team as stacked as they were last year, good luck this year. At least the Pens have 3 in the cap era, 2 of them being not too long ago.


Show me where I say the Rangers will win the cup. I said make the playoffs and have a shot at a cup.
Oct. 31, 2023 at 10:12 p.m.
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Show me where I say the Rangers will win the cup. I said make the playoffs and have a shot at a cup.


Even thats a stretch
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Nov. 1, 2023 at 12:37 a.m.
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Even thats a stretch


Only in your mind.
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Nov. 1, 2023 at 9:32 a.m.
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Chytil replaces Zibanejad. Lafreniere replaces Panarin. Kakko replaces Kreider. What are you even talking about?

Trochek is going to be moved the second his NMC turns into a M-NTC. Lindgren is probably gone soon because his play style ages poorly.

We don't have a decade with the Zibanejad/Panarin core. But we absolutely aren't f**ked in 2-3 years like you seem to think. The team is designed so that the young guys slot into their spots when the time comes. And we have plenty of good youth talent in the cupboard, so please educate yourself. Othmann and Sykora are top prospects, Cuylle already looks great, Gabe Perrault is developing in the NCAA right now. Not to mention we are intentionally holding onto all of our first round picks, so more assets joining the org in the future.

Just because the Penguins are f**ked doesn't mean everyone else is. You don't know what you're talking about


Except none of those players will successfully replace the players you have.
Kakko best season is equal to Kreiders worst
Laf isn't even close to what Panarin has always been in the NHL offensively
Chytil has the best chance, not likely but, with lesser wingers he won't be able to match
Sykora is a C level prospect, that has nothing tangible that says he'll develop into a productive pro
Touché on Gabe Perreault, he looks nasty but, still not a center
You can have a guys that look nice but, if they don't produce nobody cares
Sorry to burst your bubble
Nov. 1, 2023 at 11:31 a.m.
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Rangers don't even consider this nonsense offer.
Nov. 1, 2023 at 9:30 p.m.
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Quoting: lowblocksniper
Except none of those players will successfully replace the players you have.
Kakko best season is equal to Kreiders worst
Laf isn't even close to what Panarin has always been in the NHL offensively
Chytil has the best chance, not likely but, with lesser wingers he won't be able to match
Sykora is a C level prospect, that has nothing tangible that says he'll develop into a productive pro
Touché on Gabe Perreault, he looks nasty but, still not a center
You can have a guys that look nice but, if they don't produce nobody cares
Sorry to burst your bubble


That's so interesting because Lafreniere is on pace for 41 goals this year. Funny how that happens the second he gets put in the top six. No one is producing to Panarin levels playing a third line grinder role. No one.

Kreider didn't even score 50 points in a season until he was 25. So I don't care that Kakko isn't on present-day Kreider level as a 22 year old. It's called giving young players time to develop. This is clearly lost on you based on your confidently wrong assumptions about Alexis and Kakko.

"Chytil has the best chance" I wonder what makes you say that. I bet you wouldn't have said that about him when he was Kakko and Laf's age. Even Ranger fans wanted to run him out of town until he broke out, which was only in the 2022 playoffs. Again, it's called giving young players time to develop.

Even if Sykora's ceiling is a middle/bottom six player that's still an NHL player who can play a useful role on the future Rangers.

Perrault is important even if he's not a center because the Rangers' main issue in the future will likely be right wing depth. Speaking of Chytil not having good enough wingers, when our top line is Lafreniere-Chytil-Perrault we can revisit this conversation.

My bubble isn't burst because I have no worries about the long term future of this team. I am worried about this vet core. But I'm not worried about the young kids in any way shape or form. No one not named Kyle Dubas would entertain your Pittsburgh/NYR trade, sorry to burst your bubble.

Also if Lafreniere sucks so much, why would the Penguins even want him?
Nov. 1, 2023 at 9:46 p.m.
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Quoting: PhilsWeiner
I mean, if you're going to talk about playoffs, at least look in the mirror. Rags are literally known for underwhelming playoff performances with 0 cups in the cap era. If they weren't going to win with a team as stacked as they were last year, good luck this year. At least the Pens have 3 in the cap era, 2 of them being not too long ago.


The past means nothing. What's important is what's happening now. Whether you like it or not, the Rangers are in a position to contend for a long time. And the Penguins are on a natural downswing. They're most likely not making the playoffs this year and will have to rebuild once Crosby retires. It's over for them. And that's what's happening now.

Also, "underwhelming playoff performances"? Did you just start watching hockey less than a year ago? Every run in the 2010s, especially the Finals Appearance and ECF Appearances, the Rangers literally had NO BUSINESS even making it that far. Those Ranger teams were mainly subpar and just dragged there by Hank Lundqvist. That's the opposite of "underwhelming". You could even say the same about the 2022 playoffs, which for the record there was no shame in losing to the TBL Wagon that had two back to back Cups right before. There's literally nothing underwhelming about exceeding expectations but falling short of the entire thing. I don't think you know what that word means.
Nov. 1, 2023 at 9:48 p.m.
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Even thats a stretch


Third best team in the league currently. You're an unserious person
Nov. 2, 2023 at 8:23 a.m.
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That's so interesting because Lafreniere is on pace for 41 goals this year. Funny how that happens the second he gets put in the top six. No one is producing to Panarin levels playing a third line grinder role. No one.

Kreider didn't even score 50 points in a season until he was 25. So I don't care that Kakko isn't on present-day Kreider level as a 22 year old. It's called giving young players time to develop. This is clearly lost on you based on your confidently wrong assumptions about Alexis and Kakko.

"Chytil has the best chance" I wonder what makes you say that. I bet you wouldn't have said that about him when he was Kakko and Laf's age. Even Ranger fans wanted to run him out of town until he broke out, which was only in the 2022 playoffs. Again, it's called giving young players time to develop.

Even if Sykora's ceiling is a middle/bottom six player that's still an NHL player who can play a useful role on the future Rangers.

Perrault is important even if he's not a center because the Rangers' main issue in the future will likely be right wing depth. Speaking of Chytil not having good enough wingers, when our top line is Lafreniere-Chytil-Perrault we can revisit this conversation.

My bubble isn't burst because I have no worries about the long term future of this team. I am worried about this vet core. But I'm not worried about the young kids in any way shape or form. No one not named Kyle Dubas would entertain your Pittsburgh/NYR trade, sorry to burst your bubble.

Also if Lafreniere sucks so much, why would the Penguins even want him?


41goal pace also a 41point pace
Penguins would want him because he's young and an RFA after his current contract is up, even if he only imrpoves marginally (60point a year guy) that's fine since the team is rebuilding and a 60point guy can be traded again down the line. If he by some miracle becomes a Panarin, Marner, Kaprizov, Pastrnak etc type guy that drive the line from the wing, great but, the odds aren't great
Nov. 2, 2023 at 2:49 p.m.
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41goal pace also a 41point pace
Penguins would want him because he's young and an RFA after his current contract is up, even if he only imrpoves marginally (60point a year guy) that's fine since the team is rebuilding and a 60point guy can be traded again down the line. If he by some miracle becomes a Panarin, Marner, Kaprizov, Pastrnak etc type guy that drive the line from the wing, great but, the odds aren't great


Ignores everything else I said that explains why trading Lafreniere is a nonstarter. Lol. It's not happening
Nov. 4, 2023 at 6:57 a.m.
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Ignores everything else I said that explains why trading Lafreniere is a nonstarter. Lol. It's not happening


Of course I ignored it, you said a whole lot of nothing that wasn't already said lol
 
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