Carolina trade with PHI and CHI

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
21	$75,000,000	$64,304,166	$0	$1,865,000	$10,695,834

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Skinner, Jeff $5,725,000$5,725,000 LW, RW NMC UFA - 2	Toews, Jonathan $10,500,000$10,500,000 C NMC UFA - 6	Lindholm, Elias $2,700,000$2,700,000 C, RW UFA - 1
Aho, Sebastian $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) C UFA - 2	Staal, Jordan $6,000,000$6,000,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 6	Williams, Justin $4,500,000$4,500,000 RW M-NTC UFA - 2
Teräväinen, Teuvo $2,860,000$2,860,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Rask, Victor $2,000,000$2,000,000 C UFA - 5	Couturier, Sean $4,333,333$4,333,333 C UFA - 5
Nordström, Joakim $1,275,000$1,275,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Ryan, Derek $1,425,000$1,425,000 C, RW UFA - 1	McGinn, Brock $887,500$887,500 LW, RW UFA - 2
	Jooris, Josh $775,000$775,000 C UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Slavin, Jaccob $742,500$742,500 ($132,500$132K) LD UFA - 1	Pesce, Brett $809,167$809,167 ($32,500$32K) RD UFA - 1	Darling, Scott $4,150,000$4,150,000 G M-NTC UFA - 4
Fleury, Haydn $863,333$863,333 ($850,000$850K) LD/RD UFA - 2	Faulk, Justin $4,150,000$4,150,000 RD UFA - 3	Ward, Cam $3,300,000$3,300,000 G M-NTC UFA - 1
Dahlbeck, Klas $850,000$850,000 LD UFA - 1	van Riemsdyk, Trevor $825,000$825,000 RD UFA - 1

Jul. 3, 2017 at 11:42 p.m.

#1

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1.) We don't have cap issues.

2.) Sean Couturier is worth about 3 middle round first picks and then some, depending on the team. Not for a scrub player.

You clearly didn't consult the Flyers cap outlook before making asinine deals with them

Jul. 4, 2017 at 12:04 a.m.

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lsthomp2

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He was 215th in point this year - Stempniak -163rd
He was 169th in points last year Stempniak -88th
I know its not all about points.. but the offense that Stempniak adds helps his lack of D, which isnt that bad anyway.
Also PHI has $6 mil in cap space and 4 roster players left to sign. This deal would add 1.8 mil in Cap relief

1) Little bit of a Cap issue
2) Hes not worth what you have over valued him at. 3 first round picks is ludicrous. Stempniak is not your average scrub when he gets those numbers consistently on new teams and usually on the 3rd line.

Jul. 4, 2017 at 12:16 a.m.

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Tkachinla

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You have no concept of what Couturier does, clearly. Or how to value him. This is way off base.

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Jul. 4, 2017 at 12:25 a.m.

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lsthomp2

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Yall are right.. 3 first round picks sounds better.

Jul. 4, 2017 at 12:27 a.m.

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Quoting: lsthomp2

Yall are right.. 3 first round picks sounds better.

Best 5v5 player on the team. Top guy in shot Suppressed in the Leauge. Great PK guy.

Jul. 4, 2017 at 12:30 a.m.

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lsthomp2

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Also never scored more than 39 points in 6 seasons. Think that will bring in 3 first round picks? I might have undervalued him a little. But you are putting him in Tavares or Toews level. No way hes worth more than 1 1st.

Jul. 4, 2017 at 12:36 a.m.

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Quoting: lsthomp2

Also never scored more than 39 points in 6 seasons. Think that will bring in 3 first round picks? I might have undervalued him a little. But you are putting him in Tavares or Toews level. No way hes worth more than 1 1st.

Great job with the analysis on Couturier. CF% rel : 4.0 ; EV Shots Suppressed/hr = 8/10. in the 80th percentile of shots suppressed/hr. 55% on the face off circle

Jul. 4, 2017 at 12:37 a.m.

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Marcus Johansen just went for a 2nd and a 3rd... no way Couterier goes for 3 first rounders. But he is also worth more than Lee Stepniak. Probably more realistic trade would be Stepniak and a 1st or someone like Tuevo and a 3rd.

Jul. 4, 2017 at 12:47 a.m.

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Quoting: LGBstl

Marcus Johansen just went for a 2nd and a 3rd... no way Couterier goes for 3 first rounders. But he is also worth more than Lee Stepniak. Probably more realistic trade would be Stepniak and a 1st or someone like Tuevo and a 3rd.

just because an idiot GM that cannot manage cap gets peanuts back, doesn't mean that Couturier's value gets lowered

Jul. 4, 2017 at 1:07 a.m.

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Quoting: phillyjabroni

Great job with the analysis on Couturier. CF% rel : 4.0 ; EV Shots Suppressed/hr = 8/10. in the 80th percentile of shots suppressed/hr. 55% on the face off circle

Sorry i just read you're value on Couturier and I strongly disagree. 3 first round picks? He has never been an offensive threat. I think you're under valuing a first round pick. Yes he is good defensively. But his best offensive season was 39 points. When you have the defense of a first line center but the offense of a third liner, you are not worth 3 first round picks. 3 first round picks means the player is an outstanding talent. Elite level. Couturier has the defense, he never broke out offensively. Especially a guy who has never passed 15 goals and hasn't stayed healthy the past 2 seasons.

Jul. 4, 2017 at 1:08 a.m.

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Quoting: lsthomp2

Also never scored more than 39 points in 6 seasons. Think that will bring in 3 first round picks? I might have undervalued him a little. But you are putting him in Tavares or Toews level. No way hes worth more than 1 1st.

I don't care how many points he scores he's our best defensive center and he's only 24 years old. Also the Flyers will most likely be adding 3-4 players on their ELCs this season and won't have any problems with the cap because of that.

Jul. 4, 2017 at 1:11 a.m.

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Quoting: LGBstl

Marcus Johansen just went for a 2nd and a 3rd... no way Couterier goes for 3 first rounders. But he is also worth more than Lee Stepniak. Probably more realistic trade would be Stepniak and a 1st or someone like Tuevo and a 3rd.

I'd rather keep Couturier than make either of those trades.

Jul. 4, 2017 at 1:16 a.m.

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Quoting: nalzugaray12

Quoting: phillyjabroni

Great job with the analysis on Couturier. CF% rel : 4.0 ; EV Shots Suppressed/hr = 8/10. in the 80th percentile of shots suppressed/hr. 55% on the face off circle

Sorry i just read you're value on Couturier and I strongly disagree. 3 first round picks? He has never been an offensive threat. I think you're under valuing a first round pick. Yes he is good defensively. But his best offensive season was 39 points. When you have the defense of a first line center but the offense of a third liner, you are not worth 3 first round picks. 3 first round picks means the player is an outstanding talent. Elite level. Couturier has the defense, he never broke out offensively. Especially a guy who has never passed 15 goals and hasn't stayed healthy the past 2 seasons.

Man. I guess when you only have players like Matt Read/Dale Weise/Max Talbot/Michael Raffl on your line, I guess it's hard to put up points.

Jul. 4, 2017 at 1:17 a.m.

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He had a freak play that twisted his knee this season. It could have happened to anyone

Jul. 4, 2017 at 1:18 a.m.

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Quoting: lsthomp2

He was 215th in point this year - Stempniak -163rd
He was 169th in points last year Stempniak -88th
I know its not all about points.. but the offense that Stempniak adds helps his lack of D, which isnt that bad anyway.
Also PHI has $6 mil in cap space and 4 roster players left to sign. This deal would add 1.8 mil in Cap relief

1) Little bit of a Cap issue
2) Hes not worth what you have over valued him at. 3 first round picks is ludicrous. Stempniak is not your average scrub when he gets those numbers consistently on new teams and usually on the 3rd line.

Couturier scored 6 fewer points in 16 fewer games and is 24 years old. The Flyers will be keeping their ELITE defensive center instead of trading him for a 34 year old. Also the Flyers will be adding 3-4 players on their ELCs, so they won't be having any cap issues.

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Jul. 4, 2017 at 1:23 a.m.

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Quoting: Racer243344

Quoting: lsthomp2

He was 215th in point this year - Stempniak -163rd
He was 169th in points last year Stempniak -88th
I know its not all about points.. but the offense that Stempniak adds helps his lack of D, which isnt that bad anyway.
Also PHI has $6 mil in cap space and 4 roster players left to sign. This deal would add 1.8 mil in Cap relief

1) Little bit of a Cap issue
2) Hes not worth what you have over valued him at. 3 first round picks is ludicrous. Stempniak is not your average scrub when he gets those numbers consistently on new teams and usually on the 3rd line.

Couturier scored 6 fewer points in 16 fewer games and is 24 years old. The Flyers will be keeping their ELITE defensive center instead of trading him for a 34 year old. Also the Flyers will be adding 3-4 players on their ELCs, so they won't be having any cap issues.

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