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Created by: Blazingbat11

Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens

Initial Creation Date: Dec. 7, 2023

Published: Dec. 7, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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I believe this is the current situation for Allen and Primeau with regards to the Goalie market.

Allen:
I have no doubt there are teams (listed below) that have interest in acquiring Allen. The hold up imo would be on both GMs agreeing on the cost of salary retention. This seems to be a pretty big topic of discussion among GMs this year, seeing as this was one of the reasons TOR failed to acquire Zadorov.

Primeau:
An interesting case. Primeau has really struggled to make a case that he'll be a successful goalie in the NHL, but seems to still be generating a lot of interest from other teams. Scouts must be seeing something where they have the "We can fix him" mentality. Primeau certainly had (or still has) the potential to become a starter. One thing is now certain if reports are to be believed (From Friedman, Basu, and others), Kent Hughes WILL NOT waive him. At the beginning of the season, other GMs were probably playing a game of "chicken" with MTL thinking they would eventually waive Primeau, but this doesn't seem to be the case. They are going to have to pay to get him. Although I don't believe the price is that high.

Trades

MTL

- 3rd or 4th rd pick if no retention from MTL
or
- 2nd or B prospect equivalent if MTL retains salary

CAR

Allen, Jake

MTL

- Waiver exempt "project" player or draft pick equivalent
- AHL quality starting goaltender

EDM

Primeau, Cayden

MTL

Dark horse goalie buyer if MIN can course correct to compete for a playoff spot

I've made another post where I suggested that MTL would be willing to take MAF. I still very much like that idea.

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/778776

MIN

Allen or Primeau

MTL

NJD

Primeau or Allen

MTL

Philly is a rumored team having interest in Primeau and the reason Kent Hughes refuses to put him on waivers. Because he's confident Briere will put a claim for Primeau

PHI

Primeau

Buyouts

Karl Alzner: $833,333

Retained Salary Transactions

Joel Edmundson: $1,750,000 (50%)
Jeff Petry: $2,343,750 (50%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2024
2025
2026

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

EMBED

TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
21	$83,500,000	$76,051,250	$1,170,000	$4,300,000	$7,448,750

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Caufield, Cole $7,850,000$7,850,000 LW, RW UFA - 8	Suzuki, Nick $7,875,000$7,875,000 C UFA - 7	Gallagher, Brendan $6,500,000$6,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 4
Pearson, Tanner $3,250,000$3,250,000 LW UFA - 1	Dvorak, Christian $4,450,000$4,450,000 C M-NTC UFA - 2	Anderson, Josh $5,500,000$5,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 4
Pezzetta, Michael $812,500$812,500 LW, RW UFA - 2	Monahan, Sean $1,985,000$1,985,000 ($15,000$15K) C, LW, RW UFA - 1	Armia, Joel $3,400,000$3,400,000 RW, LW UFA - 2
	Evans, Jake $1,700,000$1,700,000 C UFA - 2	Slafkovsky, Juraj $950,000$950,000 ($3,500,000$4M) RW, LW RFA - 2
	Stephens, Mitchell $775,000$775,000 C UFA - 1	Ylönen, Jesse $775,000$775,000 RW, LW RFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Matheson, Michael $4,875,000$4,875,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 3	Lindström, Gustav $950,000$950,000 RD RFA - 1
Struble, Jayden $867,500$867,500 ($57,500$58K) LD RFA - 2	Barron, Justin $925,000$925,000 ($275,000$275K) RD RFA - 1	Montembeault, Samuel $1,000,000$1,000,000 G UFA - 1
Guhle, Kaiden $863,333$863,333 ($420,000$420K) LD/RD RFA - 2	Kovacevic, Johnathan $766,667$766,667 RD UFA - 2
Norlinder, Mattias $859,167$859,167 ($32,500$32K) LD RFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
	Savard, David $3,500,000$3,500,000 RD UFA - 2	Price, Carey $10,500,000$10,500,000 G NMC UFA - 3
	Dach, Kirby $3,362,500$3,362,500 C, RW RFA - 3
	Newhook, Alex $2,900,000$2,900,000 C, LW RFA - 4
	Harris, Jordan $1,400,000$1,400,000 LD/RD RFA - 2
	Harvey-Pinard, Rafaël $1,100,000$1,100,000 LW, RW RFA - 2
	Wideman, Chris $762,500$762,500 RD UFA - 1

Dec. 7, 2023 at 11:01 p.m.

#26

pretzelcoatl

n.1 Topias Vilen fan

Joined: Jul. 2021

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Quoting: dgibb10

Those are gross contracts long term unless you get significant retention.

thus "unfortunately"

Dec. 8, 2023 at 7:22 a.m.

#27

SwarmChair

Joined: Aug. 2022

Posts: 1,028

Likes: 331

Umm Primeau is a 7th round pick. No surprise he’s not working out. I’d wouldn’t do a 7th round pick for him now and im an Oilers fan

Dec. 8, 2023 at 8:41 a.m.

#28

ricochetii

Go Habs Go

Joined: Mar. 2017

Posts: 10,668

Likes: 4,100

Quoting: SwarmChair

Umm Primeau is a 7th round pick. No surprise he’s not working out. I’d wouldn’t do a 7th round pick for him now and im an Oilers fan

A fair number of decent goaltenders are late round picks or even undrafted. On average they tend to be drafted later because you don't need as many goaltenders as skaters and the position is more volatile.
Goaltenders are almost never a safe bet, so teams tend to avoid spending higher picks on the position.

I don't think he makes sense as a target for Edmonton, but if his price were that low it would be worth trying anyway.
You can't apply a stigma to goaltenders based only on draft position, 6 of the last 10 Vezina winners were drafted in the 4th round or later. (The other 4 were all 1st round picks.)

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