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Team: 2017-18 Boston Bruins
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 9, 2017
Published: Jul. 9, 2017
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This is going off of tips another Bruins fan has given following a coaches press conference, that I have not seen.

This is just my guess to how both teams can get something good out of this. In this mock Spooner is their 3rd C, With Sutter riding backseat at 4th line C. Granlund and Gagner play wing. Horvat C's the top line with Sedin the 2nd line.

If we really have to we can take on Dorsett for one of McQuaid or Miller. That would give them defensive depth.

They've got Edler / Stecher Del Zotto / Tanev Juolevi / Gudbranson Remainder Wiercioch and Biega.

Oh and I have Beleskey in the inferior role to Vatrano, just because I think he's better suited to a 4th line role than Vatrano.

This is just what I've heard mixing in some of my own thoughts as well.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$800,000
2$800,000
1$800,000
3$3,000,000
8$6,800,000
Trades
BOS
  1. Hutton, Ben
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The Bruins pony up to get Hutton, who becomes expendable after Juolevi makes the team.
VAN
  1. Spooner, Ryan
  2. Subban, Malcolm
  3. 2018 4th round pick (BOS)
Additional Details:
Everyone thinks Subban is terrible, but he put up much better #'s than Demko this year. He is 2 years older, but Subban put up much better #'s when they were the same age as well.
Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2018
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2019
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2020
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
24$75,000,000$70,820,835$0$902,500$4,179,165
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$6,125,000$6,125,000
LW
NMC
UFA - 8
$6,875,000$6,875,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
$872,500$872,500
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
LW, RW
UFA - 3
$7,250,000$7,250,000
C
NMC
UFA - 4
$6,800,000$6,800,000
RW
UFA - 6
$792,500$792,500 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$916,667$916,667
RW, C
RFA - 2
$4,500,000$4,500,000
C, RW
NMC
UFA - 4
$1,900,000$1,900,000
LW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
$900,000$900,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
$725,000$725,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
$775,000$775,000
LW
UFA - 1
$800,000$800,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$4,000,000$4,000,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 1
$789,167$789,167 (Performance Bonus$107,500$108K)
RD
UFA - 2
$7,000,000$7,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 4
$2,800,000$2,800,000
LD
UFA - 2
$916,667$916,667 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
RD
UFA - 2
$1,200,000$1,200,000
G
UFA - 1
$5,250,000$5,250,000
LD
UFA - 3
$2,750,000$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 2
$2,500,000$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 3
$725,000$725,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Jul. 9, 2017 at 3:36 p.m.
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Throw in Miller for Dorsett and you've got a deal!
Jul. 9, 2017 at 3:42 p.m.
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Quoting: alwaysnextyear
Throw in Miller for Dorsett and you've got a deal!


If we had to take on Dorsett for Miller, we'd definitely take out the pick.
Jul. 10, 2017 at 6:09 a.m.
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Don't want Dorsett, we'll keep Miller.
No cap room so that is very dangerous.
Jul. 10, 2017 at 2:55 p.m.
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Quoting: PaulDunnill
Don't want Dorsett, we'll keep Miller.
No cap room so that is very dangerous.


Theres no way to incorporate 4 extra skaters on the roster at the same time without injuries, so you should take out the smallest contract, which is Postman's 725K and add that in as cap space as well. Cap room is prorated, so if we went all the way through the season at this amount, by the time the trade deadline came we'd be 1.5M under the cap. Because it's prorated and because the deadline is about 3/4ths the way though the season, we'd be able to add a guy who's making around 6M that year at the deadline. I don't think we're going to go that hard this year anyways, but it would be an option, so we really don't need as much space as you may think.
Jul. 10, 2017 at 3:02 p.m.
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Don't want Dorsett, we'll keep Miller.
No cap room so that is very dangerous.


Theres no way to incorporate 4 extra skaters on the roster at the same time without injuries, so you should take out the smallest contract, which is Postman's 725K and add that in as cap space as well. Cap room is prorated, so if we went all the way through the season at this amount, by the time the trade deadline came we'd be 1.5M under the cap. Because it's prorated and because the deadline is about 3/4ths the way though the season, we'd be able to add a guy who's making around 6M that year at the deadline. I don't think we're going to go that hard this year anyways, but it would be an option, so we really don't need as much space as you may think.


you can't ever be over the cap, so with $1.5 space how can you sign a guy for $6M???
Jul. 10, 2017 at 3:13 p.m.
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Theres no way to incorporate 4 extra skaters on the roster at the same time without injuries, so you should take out the smallest contract, which is Postman's 725K and add that in as cap space as well. Cap room is prorated, so if we went all the way through the season at this amount, by the time the trade deadline came we'd be 1.5M under the cap. Because it's prorated and because the deadline is about 3/4ths the way though the season, we'd be able to add a guy who's making around 6M that year at the deadline. I don't think we're going to go that hard this year anyways, but it would be an option, so we really don't need as much space as you may think.


you can't ever be over the cap, so with $1.5 space how can you sign a guy for $6M???


It's prorated, so that guys 6M hit is only divisible by the time he's here, which would be about 20 games worth of pay. That'd mean he'd make about 1.5M over that time he was with us which is how much cap room we had so we'd be fine. The cap is very tricky, but basically all the time we spend under the cap during the year builds extra money to use on the cap at the end of the year. If we broke it down to quarters and were under the cap 1.5m the first 3 quarters, it'd be adding 4.5M to our cap room because it builds, that 4.5M extra room that we've collected by being 1.5M under the cap all those days, would be added to our current room of 1.5M because you don't lose the cap space you've created while being under the cap, and we'd be able to obtain that 6M player for that period of time.

1.5M every 20 games will increase to having 4x that amount at the deadline. That's why most teams who are in the playoffs always have room to add someone, even though they've been near the cap ceiling most of the year.

Hopefully this helps you and I wish I could explain it better, but this is just what I've learned about the Cap from real life interactions that take place and also the NHL video game franchise.
Jul. 10, 2017 at 3:16 p.m.
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Doesn't work that way. Sorry for the info.......if you have $1M under the cap at beginning of season and all the players are still there at trade deadline, you can only add a player at an AAV of less than $1M!!!!
Jul. 10, 2017 at 3:17 p.m.
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you can't ever be over the cap, so with $1.5 space how can you sign a guy for $6M???


It's prorated, so that guys 6M hit is only divisible by the time he's here, which would be about 20 games worth of pay. That'd mean he'd make about 1.5M over that time he was with us which is how much cap room we had so we'd be fine. The cap is very tricky, but basically all the time we spend under the cap during the year builds extra money to use on the cap at the end of the year. If we broke it down to quarters and were under the cap 1.5m the first 3 quarters, it'd be adding 4.5M to our cap room because it builds, that 4.5M extra room that we've collected by being 1.5M under the cap all those days, would be added to our current room of 1.5M because you don't lose the cap space you've created while being under the cap, and we'd be able to obtain that 6M player for that period of time.

1.5M every 20 games will increase to having 4x that amount at the deadline. That's why most teams who are in the playoffs always have room to add someone, even though they've been near the cap ceiling most of the year.

Hopefully this helps you and I wish I could explain it better, but this is just what I've learned about the Cap from real life interactions that take place and also the NHL video game franchise.


To summarize my thoughts, if the cap hit was 75M for a full year and you spent the entire year at 70M, you'd have created enough room to bring in 20M worth of contracts for the last 20 games, which is about where the trade deadline is. Once you create cap space, it doesn't disappear, it adds to the room you have in the future.

Hopefully someone else will stop in and look at this and be able to explain how the cap works better, I could be a little off in my metaphors and reasoning, but it's basically my interpretation of the cap rules.
Jul. 10, 2017 at 3:18 p.m.
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Doesn't work that way. Sorry for the info.......if you have $1M under the cap at beginning of season and all the players are still there at trade deadline, you can only add a player at an AAV of less than $1M!!!!


I don't think it works that way. I see teams cap space increase during the year.
Jul. 10, 2017 at 3:19 p.m.
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Well I'm telling you that's incorrect. Cap is using AAV and never changes through the year
Jul. 10, 2017 at 3:21 p.m.
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Doesn't work that way. Sorry for the info.......if you have $1M under the cap at beginning of season and all the players are still there at trade deadline, you can only add a player at an AAV of less than $1M!!!!


I don't think it works that way. I see teams cap space increase during the year.


Only way it does is if guys go on LTIR, that's they only way you can gain space......or trade away a salary!!!
Jul. 10, 2017 at 3:21 p.m.
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Doesn't work that way. Sorry for the info.......if you have $1M under the cap at beginning of season and all the players are still there at trade deadline, you can only add a player at an AAV of less than $1M!!!!


I don't think it works that way. I see teams cap space increase during the year.


If you looked at the main page of this site, there's 3 columns. Projected cap hit, Projected cap space and Current cap space. They wouldn't need all 3 of those if your hit was just measured by exactly how much cap you have at the time. If you watch during the year, the current cap space will go up for every team.
Jul. 10, 2017 at 3:22 p.m.
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Cap hit remains the same regardless of what you actually pay him. A player with a 6 million cap hit will always have that cap hit for as long as the contract runs, but if there are 20 games left, you theoretically pay him 1,463,414 (6,000,000/82=73,170) ; (73,170x20= 1,463,414)
Jul. 10, 2017 at 3:25 p.m.
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Well I'm telling you that's incorrect. Cap is using AAV and never changes through the year


It's a lot more complex than that. You'll see during this year once the season starts peoples cap will change.
Jul. 10, 2017 at 3:25 p.m.
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The "Projected Cap Space" with the teams in the negative (Toronto) still need to send players down to the AHL in order for them to be under the cap ceiling.

It basically means if the season starts today, they need to make roster changes.
Jul. 10, 2017 at 3:26 p.m.
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TCS : The AAV and Cap Hit remain the same throughout the season. If you trade Matt Duchene during preseason or at the TDL, the 6,000,000 cap hit is on your payroll.

The actual money that you pay him will differ based on the contract and the timing that you acquire him
Jul. 10, 2017 at 3:27 p.m.
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Cap hit remains the same regardless of what you actually pay him. A player with a 6 million cap hit will always have that cap hit for as long as the contract runs, but if there are 20 games left, you theoretically pay him 1,463,414 (6,000,000/82=73,170) ; (73,170x20= 1,463,414)


So you are saying what exactly? I'm suggesting that you can fit that player in if you have that 1.5M in space and he's saying you can't if his hit is 6aav and you only have 1.5M. I feel like what I've learned is that you can go over the cap off AAV, if the prorated amount is less than the cap room you've created during the year. That's atleast how they do it in the NHL games.
Jul. 10, 2017 at 3:28 p.m.
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I can always add a big ticket guy at the deadline in those games, even if I was close to the cap ceiling all year. Maybe its just video game stuff, but I figured it worked that way in real life as well.
Jul. 10, 2017 at 3:30 p.m.
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Heres an example :

Cap Space 1,500,000
Newly acquired player cap hit : 5,000,000
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Adjusted Cap Space : -3,500,000

You have to now free up 3,500,000 in cap hits in order to be able to trade for the player with the 5,000,000 cap hit
Jul. 10, 2017 at 3:33 p.m.
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I don't think it works that way. I see teams cap space increase during the year.


If you looked at the main page of this site, there's 3 columns. Projected cap hit, Projected cap space and Current cap space. They wouldn't need all 3 of those if your hit was just measured by exactly how much cap you have at the time. If you watch during the year, the current cap space will go up for every team.


Nope, sorry. Projected Cap Hit is where you salaries all add up to with current players on the roster with 1 way contracts.
Projected Cap Space just means how much over or under the $75 cap you are
Current Cap Space Available is the amount you are under the cap. And if you are over like Chicago and Toronto you have no cap space available
Jul. 10, 2017 at 3:35 p.m.
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Cap hit remains the same regardless of what you actually pay him. A player with a 6 million cap hit will always have that cap hit for as long as the contract runs, but if there are 20 games left, you theoretically pay him 1,463,414 (6,000,000/82=73,170) ; (73,170x20= 1,463,414)


Thanks Philly for explaining that properly
Jul. 10, 2017 at 3:36 p.m.
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Quoting: phillyjabroni
Heres an example :

Cap Space 1,500,000
Newly acquired player cap hit : 5,000,000
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Adjusted Cap Space : -3,500,000

You have to now free up 3,500,000 in cap hits in order to be able to trade for the player with the 5,000,000 cap hit


I must have been off then, from the game I was always able to add a guy like that during the year. my cap space always went up and when a players contract was prorated I could add him at the deadline, even if his AAV was higher than the room I was under the cap. For instance I could add a 6M player at the deadline even if I was only 2M under the current cap because his prorated salary was less than the amount of space I had created. I've played the NHL franchise of games for years and seen that happen quite a bit. It could be that A guy on my team was injured and didn't count against the cap currently though. I have had some problems when I have added a player and then I can't call up a different player who makes a lot as well.
Jul. 10, 2017 at 3:38 p.m.
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Quoting: TopCornerShot
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Cap hit remains the same regardless of what you actually pay him. A player with a 6 million cap hit will always have that cap hit for as long as the contract runs, but if there are 20 games left, you theoretically pay him 1,463,414 (6,000,000/82=73,170) ; (73,170x20= 1,463,414)


So you are saying what exactly? I'm suggesting that you can fit that player in if you have that 1.5M in space and he's saying you can't if his hit is 6aav and you only have 1.5M. I feel like what I've learned is that you can go over the cap off AAV, if the prorated amount is less than the cap room you've created during the year. That's atleast how they do it in the NHL games.


No you're making it too difficult. It's very easy, AAV is always used no matter what time of year. McDavid's AAV is $12.5M on day 1 of the season and it is on day 82 of the season (still $12.5)
Jul. 10, 2017 at 3:39 p.m.
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I can always add a big ticket guy at the deadline in those games, even if I was close to the cap ceiling all year. Maybe its just video game stuff, but I figured it worked that way in real life as well.


It's a freaking video game!!!!!!!!!!!
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So you are saying what exactly? I'm suggesting that you can fit that player in if you have that 1.5M in space and he's saying you can't if his hit is 6aav and you only have 1.5M. I feel like what I've learned is that you can go over the cap off AAV, if the prorated amount is less than the cap room you've created during the year. That's atleast how they do it in the NHL games.


No you're making it too difficult. It's very easy, AAV is always used no matter what time of year. McDavid's AAV is $12.5M on day 1 of the season and it is on day 82 of the season (still $12.5)


That sounds really dumb and simple. Why do teams have Capologist's if it's so easy to manage?
 
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